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Old 11-09-2014 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Smoke Toliet
Only 16,000 of 24,000 voted....pretty weak. And I wonder what this means for us....?
" We don't know our overall cost structure now, we are going to need another extension on negotiations"


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Old 11-09-2014 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Saabs
What more do they want? Would you honestly vote yes on that TA they had? I wouldn't - especially if I was US. Why should the AA side get more 401k contribution? One contract, 2 different benefits? Screw that.
I had no idea what their retirement is, unfortunately the comparison chart doesn't show that in there. Why is it different anyway? That's BS.

I really don't have a handle on FA contracts to tell you if it was a "good" contract or not, just that it's better than UAL and DAL, by a fairly wide margin. So regardless of how bad this one is, won't the arbitrated one be worse?

How much worse is it than the current contract? Is the current contract better in other ways? I'm asking because quite frankly all I've heard about it from our FA friends is about the medical.
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Old 11-09-2014 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Saabs
What more do they want? Would you honestly vote yes on that TA they had? I wouldn't - especially if I was US. Why should the AA side get more 401k contribution? One contract, 2 different benefits? Screw that.
Are you sure about that? Doesn't really make sense, especially because a majority of US voted in favor and AA against?
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Old 11-09-2014 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Saabs
He's the guy that started the domino effect on pilot pensions. Hell of a union buster.
The pilots broke their own unions. Deal with it.
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Old 11-09-2014 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotlbs
Are you sure about that? Doesn't really make sense, especially because a majority of US voted in favor and AA against?
If all of you want to educate yourselves on the Flight Attendant T/A and what it means for the pilots simply go to https://apfa.org/images/TA/comparison-chart.pdf
and read all about it.

They are going to get less than they would have gotten in arbitration. Boy that arbitration stuff sure works GREAT.....FOR THE COMPANY.
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Old 11-09-2014 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Route66
If all of you want to educate yourselves on the Flight Attendant T/A and what it means for the pilots simply go to https://apfa.org/images/TA/comparison-chart.pdf
and read all about it.

They are going to get less than they would have gotten in arbitration. Boy that arbitration stuff sure works GREAT.....FOR THE COMPANY.
Cool thanks for the link. I don't see anything about 401k contributions in that. Am I missing it somewhere or do they not receive any?
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Old 11-09-2014 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Saabs
What more do they want? Would you honestly vote yes on that TA they had? I wouldn't - especially if I was US. Why should the AA side get more 401k contribution? One contract, 2 different benefits? Screw that.
Way to bite on hearsay. A contract would not offer two different 401K plans. Especially since there isn't an AA or US side anymore. They've already merged the two groups.

These FAs are idiots. They will not get this good of a package in arbitration.
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Old 11-09-2014 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Route66
The pilots broke their own unions. Deal with it.
Not a surprising statement coming from someone who isn't a pilot.

***WARNING***

Folks, beware what has now started to occur - certain representatives of managements interests have begun to position themselves on this forum to influence AA pilots on a potential upcoming TA vote (should it come to that). Union busting and pilot manipulation tactics are part of the strategy.
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Old 11-09-2014 | 12:34 PM
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Do F/As have to worry about negotiating scope or is that purely a pilot thing? I haven't read thru the entire contract they were presented with but wonder if pilots are the only group that is responsible for essentially keeping the flying here on property.

It seems we have to bear a large burden of negotiating capital to ensure everyone else remains employed as well.

On a side note, since the F/As didn't want the extra $$ Doug & CO offered, we should ask for it to be applied to our contract .
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Old 11-09-2014 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Saabs
What more do they want? Would you honestly vote yes on that TA they had? I wouldn't - especially if I was US. Why should the AA side get more 401k contribution? One contract, 2 different benefits? Screw that.
On the pilot side new hires at AA don't receive the 401k contribution until year 2 compared to new hires at Airways who get it for the start. Jacked up as well! These kind of issues need to be worked out
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