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Old 11-01-2021, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by tsimmns927 View Post
Haven't even started yet honestly. This TDY set me back, but I have learned I can get basically all training for free with the post 9/11 GI Bill through Liberty and a degree to boot. I know it’s not the fastest way or the recommended way if paying out of pocket, but getting all ratings for basically 0 dollars is huge for me. On top of that I have all the required classes needed for the degree outside of the aviation portion, so hopefully that will knock some time off the projected finish time they have on their site.
Sounds like a good starting point.
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Old 11-01-2021, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 4dalulz View Post
Well I assume you'll be calling me a troll, but from what I've gathered through "non-forum" means............................................. ....... while other airlines ............ have grown nearly on a y=x^2 curve, with their customer base being much more diversified than ATSGs (at least at first glance).
Omni has never been run like other ACMI's.... ever. If you've done your research as you claim, you'd know that. Yes, You're trolling.
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Old 11-01-2021, 09:09 AM
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Omni has never been run like other ACMI's.... ever. If you've done your research as you claim, you'd know that. Yes, You're trolling.
You're describing Kalitta before the current contract - they grew, partially to support the newly added expenditures related to the workforce. Omni chose not to - and theoretically may not be in a position to generate the revenue needed to remain competitive on pilot compensation, while simultaneously having too much of an outlay compared to the actual bottom feeders. One thing that is obvious is that you're a snowflake who thinks that Omni is the greatest thing since sliced bread and don't like critical questions being asked. Apparent since you totally ignored the other items I had identified as having come thru the grapevine.
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Old 11-01-2021, 09:19 AM
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Omni carries pax. Has this escaped your vast critical thinking skills?
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Old 11-01-2021, 09:32 AM
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Omni carries pax. Has this escaped your vast critical thinking skills?
Swift and Eastern do also, as does Atlas. Omni is/was free to have joined the cargo cult, it did not. So was that a conscious decision on the part of Omni - or is that by decree from the parent company (ties into the A330 rumor as well)?

Insofar as I can tell it seems that Omni is on a similar trajectory to National's (as far as fleet count and market engagement) rather than the trajectory of others like Atlas* and Kalitta - which would indicate stagnant wages and flying, though no risk of anything like BK or liquidation (unless ATSG goes full Lorenzo, which I wouldn't put past them).

*I'm not sure how Atlas pay compares to current Omni pay since their new contract doesn't seem to have been updated to APC, but I imagine it's at least on par - to wit, is there any apparent indication that ATSG may be planning similar legal maneuvers to Atlas' against their union?
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Old 11-01-2021, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 4dalulz View Post
You're describing Kalitta before the current contract - they grew, partially to support the newly added expenditures related to the workforce. Omni chose not to - and theoretically may not be in a position to generate the revenue needed to remain competitive on pilot compensation, while simultaneously having too much of an outlay compared to the actual bottom feeders. One thing that is obvious is that you're a snowflake who thinks that Omni is the greatest thing since sliced bread and don't like critical questions being asked. Apparent since you totally ignored the other items I had identified as having come thru the grapevine.
You are embarrassing yourself.
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Old 11-01-2021, 09:44 AM
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You are embarrassing yourself.
Oh well then, maybe something will come out in the earnings call. Seems like the die-hards can't handle a bit of reality (or even consider some of the things being said around the rumor mill - and instead just stonewall) for whatever reason? Let me guess, most of you guys are lifers and the rest are getting out? Peace, seems like you deserve each other.
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Old 11-01-2021, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 4dalulz View Post
You're describing Kalitta before the current contract - they grew, partially to support the newly added expenditures related to the workforce. Omni chose not to - and theoretically may not be in a position to generate the revenue needed to remain competitive on pilot compensation, while simultaneously having too much of an outlay compared to the actual bottom feeders. One thing that is obvious is that you're a snowflake who thinks that Omni is the greatest thing since sliced bread and don't like critical questions being asked. Apparent since you totally ignored the other items I had identified as having come thru the grapevine.
see, it’s obvious you don’t understand the completely different business models, haven’t done any real research and are just trolling.
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Old 11-01-2021, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 4dalulz View Post

*……I'm not sure how Atlas pay compares to current Omni pay since their new contract doesn't seem to have been updated to APC, but I imagine it's at least on par - to wit, is there any apparent indication that ATSG may be planning similar legal maneuvers to Atlas' against their union?
It’s obvious that you don’t do any research at all. The APC Omni page has been updated post CBA.

How it compares to Atlas is obvious if you read the Atlas arbitration award. You obviously haven’t.

You’re so far off from reality that it’s pointless to even try to educate you. Either go do some real research on publicly available information, or go bother somebody else.

your posts are just trolling.
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Old 11-01-2021, 01:01 PM
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Let us not forget. Omni is not the same airline or managed the way it was 3 years ago. Only ATSG can answer questions of what will become of Omni.
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