New Hire Class Drops
09-03-2025 | 07:06 PM
#5521
Gets Weekends Off
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FWIW, from the time we stopped classes in May 2025 to the end of 2026, there will be about 800 retirements. I submit 800 would be consistent with what was published today. Anything less than that would actually be shrinkage.
As someone reminded me recently, though the last 'hire date" was in March, they were 9E flows that were held back, and actually completed indoc in May. So 5-ish months of hiring.
As someone reminded me recently, though the last 'hire date" was in March, they were 9E flows that were held back, and actually completed indoc in May. So 5-ish months of hiring.
09-03-2025 | 08:56 PM
#5522
What's a weekend?
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From: Widget FO
09-03-2025 | 10:04 PM
#5523
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I don’t think a meaningful number of pilots are affected by SJS anymore.
09-04-2025 | 04:22 AM
#5525
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SJS only works to the company’s benefit if pilots are willing to make concessions to secure an aircraft order. As badly as some people want to see the 787 here I haven’t heard of one person willing to sacrifice parts of the PWA to make it happen.
09-04-2025 | 05:00 AM
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But I doubt there’s more than a handful of people that SJS would affect how they vote on a contract. You’d really turn down a raise or QOL improvements (or add concessions) over the opportunity to fly a random airliner? Who gives a ****
Besides, the company is going to buy what it’s going to buy anyway.
09-04-2025 | 05:46 AM
#5529
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From: Blue Juice Taste Tester
Sure there’s a few outlier weirdos that are more passionate about that than they should be.
But I doubt there’s more than a handful of people that SJS would affect how they vote on a contract. You’d really turn down a raise or QOL improvements (or add concessions) over the opportunity to fly a random airliner? Who gives a ****
Besides, the company is going to buy what it’s going to buy anyway.
But I doubt there’s more than a handful of people that SJS would affect how they vote on a contract. You’d really turn down a raise or QOL improvements (or add concessions) over the opportunity to fly a random airliner? Who gives a ****
Besides, the company is going to buy what it’s going to buy anyway.
Your points are valid, but I think there's a little more to the 787 order itself than just SJS. Everyone I hear excited about the potential order mostly talks about how we'd be replacing a narrowbody paying category (ER) with an all wide body paying aircraft, which would put more money in pilots pockets.
A lot different from, for example, replacing all 717's with 220's. I've heard about this from a flight ops dude doing a JS observation once. I don't think anyone remotely cares about this because its not a noticeable $gain$ for us.
09-04-2025 | 06:16 AM
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Playing a little devils advocate,
Your points are valid, but I think there's a little more to the 787 order itself than just SJS. Everyone I hear excited about the potential order mostly talks about how we'd be replacing a narrowbody paying category (ER) with an all wide body paying aircraft, which would put more money in pilots pockets.
A lot different from, for example, replacing all 717's with 220's. I've heard about this from a flight ops dude doing a JS observation once. I don't think anyone remotely cares about this because its not a noticeable $gain$ for us.
Your points are valid, but I think there's a little more to the 787 order itself than just SJS. Everyone I hear excited about the potential order mostly talks about how we'd be replacing a narrowbody paying category (ER) with an all wide body paying aircraft, which would put more money in pilots pockets.
A lot different from, for example, replacing all 717's with 220's. I've heard about this from a flight ops dude doing a JS observation once. I don't think anyone remotely cares about this because its not a noticeable $gain$ for us.
Why that fact (which is also outside our control), would affect anyone’s decision making on contracts is something I do not understand.
And, again, the company will buy what it wants to buy regardless of what we do. So I don’t really understand the devil’s advocate’s position.
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