Reserve for Dummies
11-26-2024 | 07:12 AM
#2451
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You are correct that once you view your schedule/end NC status as 0:01 into it SC window, there is nothing stopping scheduling from calling you at 0:02 with. 0:03 report time. However, you are now on promptly available leash and there is no expectation that you be there immediately. But this scenario is very rare.
What most people seem to be missing is that, especially with these 6 hour windows, anecdotally most trips that go to SC pilots hit open time between 18 and 2 hours prior to report. It is not uncommon with a 1200 SC period to wake up at 0800 and find a 1330 report rotation that was placed on your schedule during the night. The point of going NC is to block 1/3 of your SC window from being used by scheduling, up until the point you choose to end your NC status.
What most people seem to be missing is that, especially with these 6 hour windows, anecdotally most trips that go to SC pilots hit open time between 18 and 2 hours prior to report. It is not uncommon with a 1200 SC period to wake up at 0800 and find a 1330 report rotation that was placed on your schedule during the night. The point of going NC is to block 1/3 of your SC window from being used by scheduling, up until the point you choose to end your NC status.
11-26-2024 | 07:18 AM
#2452
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No.
By calling in NC, you prevent the company from assigning you a rotation that reports during the first 2 hours (not allowed by the PWA), where as if you didn't call in NC, its allowed for for scheds to call you at SC + 0:01 for report at 0:02 and getting the "how fast can you be here" with the 2'-ish to 3-ish hours to report.
But at SC +0:01 you log into icrew and check your schedule...assuming nothing has been assigned, you have not turned off the NC status and your back to the normal "promptly available"
You are basically cutting your 6 hour window (of where scheduling can assign a report) down to 4.
By calling in NC, you prevent the company from assigning you a rotation that reports during the first 2 hours (not allowed by the PWA), where as if you didn't call in NC, its allowed for for scheds to call you at SC + 0:01 for report at 0:02 and getting the "how fast can you be here" with the 2'-ish to 3-ish hours to report.
But at SC +0:01 you log into icrew and check your schedule...assuming nothing has been assigned, you have not turned off the NC status and your back to the normal "promptly available"
You are basically cutting your 6 hour window (of where scheduling can assign a report) down to 4.
You are correct that once you view your schedule/end NC status as 0:01 into it SC window, there is nothing stopping scheduling from calling you at 0:02 with. 0:03 report time. However, you are now on promptly available leash and there is no expectation that you be there immediately. But this scenario is very rare.
What most people seem to be missing is that, especially with these 6 hour windows, anecdotally most trips that go to SC pilots hit open time between 18 and 2 hours prior to report. It is not uncommon with a 1200 SC period to wake up at 0800 and find a 1330 report rotation that was placed on your schedule during the night. The point of going NC is to block 1/3 of your SC window from being used by scheduling, up until the point you choose to end your NC status.
What most people seem to be missing is that, especially with these 6 hour windows, anecdotally most trips that go to SC pilots hit open time between 18 and 2 hours prior to report. It is not uncommon with a 1200 SC period to wake up at 0800 and find a 1330 report rotation that was placed on your schedule during the night. The point of going NC is to block 1/3 of your SC window from being used by scheduling, up until the point you choose to end your NC status.
11-26-2024 | 07:31 AM
#2453
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Actually he did. He called CS asking about my whereabouts before he called me. The second call from CS was a scheduler asking me where I was because the Captain had called them.
He also cloud have looked at the Daily Trip Cov and see I was assigned the trip 40 min ago.
He also cloud have looked at the Daily Trip Cov and see I was assigned the trip 40 min ago.
11-26-2024 | 07:34 AM
#2454
Roll’n Thunder
Joined: Oct 2009
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From: Pilot
You are NC until 2 hours into your SC window, unless YOU choose to end it earlier by either checking icrew schedule during your SC window or calling scheduling at any point and letting them know you are back on contactable status.
11-26-2024 | 07:39 AM
#2455
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Got it. As an in base guy, you *WANT* to end NC early and go back to normal status. However, you effectively prevented them from *earlier* putting on something that reports in the first two hours. I think I'm starting to see the light!
11-26-2024 | 07:41 AM
#2456
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Joined: Mar 2015
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From: N60.4858 W149.9327
As the SC starts. This is the no risk strategey. Or, if you are going to be in a position to report immediately, then whenever you like or not at all and 2 hours in you are contactable. Personally it depends on where I am and what I'm doing. If the bag is packed and in the car close to the airport, I'll check Micrew intermittently and let it ride. At 2 hours I'm back on promptly avaialble. If I'm trout fishing and have a half hour hike out followed by an hour drive and cleanup time, then I check at SC start. I've been considering leaving a commuter bag and uniform in ops to reduce my response time but I haven't worked out the shower and shave part yet. I don't think we have a shower at my base.
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11-26-2024 | 07:56 AM
#2457
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Can you identify the source or reference of NC ending by checking iCrew within the SC window? My schedule routinely shows 2hr NC unless I call and tell a scheduler I'm contactable.
11-26-2024 | 08:02 AM
#2458
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From: N60.4858 W149.9327
11-26-2024 | 08:23 AM
#2459
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"At any point prior to the end of the two-hour period, the pilot may inform Crew Scheduling that they are now available for contact or check their schedule and, if no assignment has been made, will then be required to be “promptly available” as described above."
I assume that literally means going to the schedule page on iCrew. Simply logging in to iCrew would not suffice? Is this actually something that they've automated?
I assume that literally means going to the schedule page on iCrew. Simply logging in to iCrew would not suffice? Is this actually something that they've automated?
11-26-2024 | 08:54 AM
#2460
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From: Looking left
"At any point prior to the end of the two-hour period, the pilot may inform Crew Scheduling that they are now available for contact or check their schedule and, if no assignment has been made, will then be required to be “promptly available” as described above.
SRH carries same weight at the PWA.
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