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08-15-2025 | 04:37 PM
#3751
Roll’n Thunder
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From: Pilot
An if-needed YS can never waive the 18 hour between assignment protection. Only a first-in-sequence YS will waive it.
08-15-2025 | 04:40 PM
#3752
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ok thanks, got 3 back to back to back 1900-01:00 SCs as a commuter and was trying to figure out if I need to YS to break that potential streak or if the "IF Needed" would work too. If I get through the 3rd 1900 SC, then I'm at 4 for the month so hopefully won't be on for a 5th just yet. Is there a specific PWA reference that talks about waiving times between SC/LC assignments via YS? Somewhere in Section 23?
08-15-2025 | 05:02 PM
#3753
Roll’n Thunder
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ok thanks, got 3 back to back to back 1900-01:00 SCs as a commuter and was trying to figure out if I need to YS to break that potential streak or if the "IF Needed" would work too. If I get through the 3rd 1900 SC, then I'm at 4 for the month so hopefully won't be on for a 5th just yet. Is there a specific PWA reference that talks about waiving times between SC/LC assignments via YS? Somewhere in Section 23?
08-15-2025 | 05:29 PM
#3754
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From the SRH, under "Preference Qualifiers If Needed to Fly or for Short Call"
...If one of those pilots submitted a Preference Qualifier If Needed to Fly, the preference is treated identically to a YS and the pilot’s qualifiers and quantifiers will be considered in seniority order.
Separately, a year ago, I seem to remember that CS was ignoring anything but the first YS time for SC. Anyone know if they are still doing that?
08-15-2025 | 05:48 PM
#3755
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I thought that the "If Needed" acted exactly like a YS if you were identified on the TC report, which would allow you to waive the 18-hour protection??
From the SRH, under "Preference Qualifiers If Needed to Fly or for Short Call"
Separately, a year ago, I seem to remember that CS was ignoring anything but the first YS time for SC. Anyone know if they are still doing that?
From the SRH, under "Preference Qualifiers If Needed to Fly or for Short Call"
Separately, a year ago, I seem to remember that CS was ignoring anything but the first YS time for SC. Anyone know if they are still doing that?
pilots who submit a “Preference Qualifier To Be Used Only If Needed To Fly” or “Preference To Be Used Only If Needed For Short Call” cannot be assigned/awarded anything earlier than specified in 23.S.2.a.5. or 23.S.2.c.3. respectively. You are never NEEDED prior to the 10-18 carve out.
08-15-2025 | 06:28 PM
#3756
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From: N60.4858 W149.9327
I’ve been paid for SC periods improperly removed within 18 hours. They have no way to notify you and I’ve always made the argument that I started SC at the assigned time because I was never notified of anything different. Even sitting 1 minute of SC warrants SCC paid if unused.
08-15-2025 | 06:28 PM
#3757
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Well, admittedly I’m not 100% on the middle of LC days scenario but if it functions the same as the following, you can’t waive 18 hours:
pilots who submit a “Preference Qualifier To Be Used Only If Needed To Fly” or “Preference To Be Used Only If Needed For Short Call” cannot be assigned/awarded anything earlier than specified in 23.S.2.a.5. or 23.S.2.c.3. respectively. You are never NEEDED prior to the 10-18 carve out.
pilots who submit a “Preference Qualifier To Be Used Only If Needed To Fly” or “Preference To Be Used Only If Needed For Short Call” cannot be assigned/awarded anything earlier than specified in 23.S.2.a.5. or 23.S.2.c.3. respectively. You are never NEEDED prior to the 10-18 carve out.
08-15-2025 | 06:34 PM
#3758
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From: N60.4858 W149.9327
08-16-2025 | 01:34 AM
#3759
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From: Blue Juice Taste Tester
Thursday submit YS for afternoon SC on Saturday
Get 1400 SC awarded on Saturday (day 2 of a 4 day bucket)
Later that day SC is gone from my schedule and I now have a 6am report.
I was assuming that's a legal assignment since I was technically on LC for a day and a half prior to my awarded SC?
08-16-2025 | 02:56 AM
#3760
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Interesting. So let me see if I'm following using my situation as example:
Thursday submit YS for afternoon SC on Saturday
Get 1400 SC awarded on Saturday (day 2 of a 4 day bucket)
Later that day SC is gone from my schedule and I now have a 6am report.
I was assuming that's a legal assignment since I was technically on LC for a day and a half prior to my awarded SC?
Thursday submit YS for afternoon SC on Saturday
Get 1400 SC awarded on Saturday (day 2 of a 4 day bucket)
Later that day SC is gone from my schedule and I now have a 6am report.
I was assuming that's a legal assignment since I was technically on LC for a day and a half prior to my awarded SC?
23.S.3.c A pilot who has been awarded a short call via PBS or PCS shall not have the shortcall removed except by mutal agreement with Crew Scheduling.
Exception: A reserve pilot awarded or assigned a rotation that conflicts with a future short call period will be removed from such future short call period and it will not count towards the pilot’s short call obligation under Section 23 S. 2. c.
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