Reserve for Dummies
12-13-2025 | 08:14 AM
#4461
Racketeer
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From: N60.4858 W149.9327
There's 2 big issues I see with just adding RES ability to SS. The first is that for REG, half of the pay is pay and credit towards the WS pickup limit, so a similar thing for RES would be single pay and credit towards RES guarantee + single pay no credit on top of guarantee. But then that would mean no PB days since the company wouldn't give RES 3 benefits and REG only 2. If you just gave RES single pay/no credit + PB days (just like a GS) then I don't think it would be as fair to REG pilots who wouldn't even be eligible if they don't have the WS pickup limit available. In the same vein, as currently setup the WS pickup limit is the pseudo-leveling mechanism, but that limit does not apply to RES. If you did a pay/credit and pay/no credit with no PB days then I guess ALV +15 (the max RES can fly) could technically be a leveling mechanism, but again that's generally not fair to REG since most RES almost never run into that limit.
So, the easiest path out of this is to just eliminate SS (which also has the side benefit of stopping the company from blocking trips being washed with PB days). Alternatively, another solution would be to turn SS into long-notice GS. SS and GS would share a counter and pay exactly as GS currently do for both REG and RES. But that really defeats the whole point of SS from the company's perspective because they are trying to cover trips without using RES pilots or giving RES pilots the opportunity for premium flying + PB days.
So, the easiest path out of this is to just eliminate SS (which also has the side benefit of stopping the company from blocking trips being washed with PB days). Alternatively, another solution would be to turn SS into long-notice GS. SS and GS would share a counter and pay exactly as GS currently do for both REG and RES. But that really defeats the whole point of SS from the company's perspective because they are trying to cover trips without using RES pilots or giving RES pilots the opportunity for premium flying + PB days.
12-13-2025 | 09:15 AM
#4462
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Plus, it’s (mostly) cheap for the company. In cases where it’s pay and credit, it only costs them money if you get full. Otherwise, it would just help the pilot into a higher RAW bucket.
Regardless, it’s BS that Reg is protected and Res is not. I’ve lost several Res GS that would have paid single pay if Reg. AND Res only gets A day pay or 2 hours (whichever is less) for illegal rotations. Making it cheap for the company to knowingly screw a Res with an illegal assignment (fly now/grieve later) for as little as 2 hours of pay.
12-13-2025 | 09:36 AM
#4463
Roll’n Thunder
Joined: Oct 2009
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From: Pilot
In the case of PB washing is the trip made a SS and then it goes to open time? Once in open time can they remove the N designator or does it eventually go Y and can be picked up as a SS? I thought there was away for the company to remove the SS and not pay 2x. Also if it is in open time and loses the N can it still be picked up via WS and try again? I have a few to wash and need to plan how many months before MAR I should start.
The way to avoid this completely is to use a trip that touches black days on the reserve grid. They are tagging a trip as SS when a person drops it into OT mid-PCS run before WS are processed. A trip that touches a black day will not drop into OT but only show in OT as a Q trip that can still be WS by the assisting pilot.
12-13-2025 | 10:04 AM
#4464
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Not our problem.
The pay issues with credit, reserve guarantee, pickup limit, etc. are legitimate questions with allowing reserves to take silver slips, but those are solvable, certainly not a reason to just bin the whole thing.
The pay issues with credit, reserve guarantee, pickup limit, etc. are legitimate questions with allowing reserves to take silver slips, but those are solvable, certainly not a reason to just bin the whole thing.
12-13-2025 | 12:03 PM
#4465
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And I like the GS leveling mechanism and wouldn't be opposed to SS leveling and either.
12-13-2025 | 03:39 PM
#4466
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With LC rotations usually being assigned 2 days out and SC assigned day prior, is there anything stopping them from assigning a SC that ends 10-18 hrs prior of a rotation that was assigned before?
Example: assigned/awarded 1201 report 2 days out and then assigned SC 2000-0200 night prior?
Example: assigned/awarded 1201 report 2 days out and then assigned SC 2000-0200 night prior?
12-13-2025 | 03:44 PM
#4467
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With LC rotations usually being assigned 2 days out and SC assigned day prior, is there anything stopping them from assigning a SC that ends 10-18 hrs prior of a rotation that was assigned before?
Example: assigned/awarded 1201 report 2 days out and then assigned SC 2000-0200 night prior?
Example: assigned/awarded 1201 report 2 days out and then assigned SC 2000-0200 night prior?
12-14-2025 | 05:31 AM
#4470
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From: BE-20GT Captain/Check Airmen
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