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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1477050)

Your bullet points (like the rest of this laundry list) are not facts. They are your opinions and completely mischaracterized writings. You're certainly entitled to your opinions as is Kingsley, but they're not facts. DPA's plans will only be decided upon by a members vote after a successful decertification vote of ALPA. You ALPA no matter what guys will do and/or say ANYTHING to keep that vote from happening. Your panic is actually painful to watch.

Self serving spin and panicked hyperbole won't work for you guys anymore. IMO, you're only hope of keeping ALPA here would be a complete and public repudiation of Mr. Moak and an absolute promise by our local leaders to vote against Moak's reelection, admit to the endemic conflict of interest within ALPA, and provide a clear plan to bring back all Delta branded flying to the Delta pilots seniority list.

You do those things and I'll tear up my DPA card and work for DALPA everyday til I retire.

Carl

I'm not sure what Kingsley has to do with any of this or your hyperbolic statements but if they aren't facts you should be able to disprove at least one?

The DPA Constitution is effective upon certification.

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October 29, 2010 DPA Begins Writing Constitution and By-Laws
Today the Delta Pilots Association begins the process of writing its Constitution and By-Laws. All Delta Air Lines Pilots can have a hand in writing these important and historical documents by signing up for membership in DPA. All members that participate in this process will be considered founding contributors and will be honored by finding their names attached as signatories on the final version of our Constitution to be released after DPA wins the National Mediation Board provided election.

As written it can't be changed after certification without voting, in other words this is final if the ball drops tomorrow.

DPA announces dues will be lowered to anywhere between 1%-1.75% depending on where you read the website yet the constitution says they will go up without MEMRAT to 2.25% next year. ALPA can't raise dues today without a vote.

Dues:

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The dues rate shall be 1.75% upon initial certification by the National Mediation Board. On January 1st of the second full fiscal year following initial certification, the dues rate shall drop annually by 0.25% every year until reaching a minimum dues rate of 1%. Special Circumstance Exception: Six (6) months prior to the amendable date of the Pilot Working Agreement, or upon early opening of negotiations if greater than six (6) months prior to the amendable date, or upon notification of a possible bankruptcy or merger initiated by the Company, the dues rate will temporarily increase by 0.5% until the new contract is ratified, or bankruptcy proceedings or merger integration is complete.

They say that FPL is bad yet they increased FPL for all volunteers including those that don't get FPL like that today over today's limits and pay for it out of the budget since they will take that money value assigned to the contract and spread it amongst the pilots. No, wait, make that the reps as the FPL is going up the money would go to them not the CBA.

Salaries and Expenses:

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The compensation/salaries of all Officers, Representatives and Committee Chairpersons of the Association shall be based on bidding for and flying one half (1/2) of the Average Line Value (ALV) of the awarded Category (as defined by the Pilot Working Agreement) or completing an equivalent amount of reserve duty. In addition, the Association will pay a salary of one half (1/2) of the ALV of the Category bid plus a premium of thirty percent (30%) of the ALV for the President and twenty-five percent (25%) of the ALV for all other Officers, Representatives and Committee Chairpersons.

USAPA payed over $7 million in legal fees to SSM&P in less than 4 years after the vote. SSMP&P is charging 50% of their $250 fee, per their contract, with the rest outstanding after certification, yet the DPA has mysteriously paid a number so small that it can only be called incidental costs from the DPA logs. Where's the legal bill?

DPA finances behind firewall.

USAPSA v SSM&P S.D.N.Y 7:12-cv-01981-ER

There's a second law firm on the DPA books that has charged more to the DPA than SSM&P so far. How could that be possible?

DPA finances behind firewall

New hires, pilots returning from disability and MILOA can't be reps for 2 years, nor could a pilot from a merged airline because of the 2 year good standing rule

Eligibility:

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1. Officer candidates must be active members in Good Standing for the preceding two years prior to being eligible to serve.

New hires have to pay a maintenance fee their first year. Not about money, right?

Assessments:

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A member's obligation for dues shall commence as of the date of eligibility for Active membership. Exception: New hire pilots will not pay dues during the first year of employment. New hire pilots will pay a $25.00 monthly service fee until the first anniversary of date of employment.

Look through the USAPA LM2 and see the 6 figure employees they have. You want to know why? That's what good help costs today.

Ray, James Communication Comm $120,962 LM-2

"A contract which is understandable, enforceable and beneficial to both parties and should not exceed 200 pages." Really? Beneficial to the company? An iron clad 200 pages?

DPA Issues Contract Opening Statement

Voting on everything and everybody. Where will you find the time?

Really, where will you get the time?

25% of the pilots in a block to get a resolution passed vs simply majority at an LEC today? Harder to use the pilots will.

Petition Procedures

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1. Any Active member or group of members in Good Standing has the right to petition (make a resolution) through the membership. 2. A petition containing signatures of twenty-five (25) percent or more of all Active members in Good Standing in a single Seniority Block shall constitute a valid petition.

You don't want to do the work to change ALPA and you don't want to do the work to discuss the DPA constitution in spite of being shown facts you continue to attack the messenger.