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Jesse 08-03-2010 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot (Post 850172)
Or the fact that the -90 is going to have the same amount of seats as the 737-800 yet pays almost 10% less. I never quite understood that one. I think we should bring all the narrowbodies up to 757 pay rates. :)

Definitely agree more needs to be done (e.g. A319 rates vs. seats, 737-700 rates vs seats, etc.), but baby steps first.

This issue (88 ~ 90) is being brought up where it matters, but more voices will give it greater emphasis.

buzzpat 08-03-2010 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 850233)
Definitely agree more needs to be done (e.g. A319 rates vs. seats, 737-700 rates vs seats, etc.), but baby steps first.

This issue (88 ~ 90) is being brought up where it matters, but more voices will give it greater emphasis.

One of the reasons DAL brought the -700 pay up to par with the -800 pay was to avoid having to pay international pay for flights into Quito, Ecuador. The contract says that flights south of the Equator are international. In essence, to avoid paying international rates for the Quito trips, DAL, among other reasons, brought the -700 pay up to speed with the -800.

Denny Crane 08-03-2010 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 850213)
I thought they were 90 qualifying ALL NYC M88 pilots? Wouldn't that make the reserve guarantee based on 90 pay?

I would say that this would apply to any 88 base that is 90 qualified, ie cvg,slc, etc.

Denny

FrankCobretti 08-03-2010 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 850230)
Or you can go to Deltanet, Crew Resources & Scheduling page. Look at the Projected Category Lists for those bases as of the May AE. You can easily figure out where you will be.

Thanks! You guys are the best resource around!

MoonShot 08-03-2010 04:50 PM

I haven't quite figured out how we get paid on the 90, but it is = or > the amount you fly on the 90 in a month. I've averaged 19 hours of 90 pay the months I have been on reserve, and that's not flying much at all.

iaflyer 08-03-2010 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 850237)
One of the reasons DAL brought the -700 pay up to par with the -800 pay was to avoid having to pay international pay for flights into Quito, Ecuador. The contract says that flights south of the Equator are international. In essence, to avoid paying international rates for the Quito trips, DAL, among other reasons, brought the -700 pay up to speed with the -800.

<sigh>Buzz, I thought we all discussed this - you get international pay once you leave the 48 states, except Alaska or Canada.

The South of the Equator stuff (now like 3.5 degrees S of the Equator or something) was avoid the 737 flying being categorized as an "Ocean Crossing" which bring up other issues in the PWA, but international pay isn't one of them.

buzzpat 08-03-2010 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 850250)
<sigh>Buzz, I thought we all discussed this - you get international pay once you leave the 48 states, except Alaska or Canada.

The South of the Equator stuff (now like 3.5 degrees S of the Equator or something) was avoid the 737 flying being categorized as an "Ocean Crossing" which bring up other issues in the PWA, but international pay isn't one of them.

Hey IA, I humbly think you're wrong. And, plus, tell that to the DALPA guys. They sing a different tune. I've had this discussion with them. We, for example, don't get international pay for Mexico, Central America or Ecuador. 73 guys don't get international pay, period, and we do fly outside of the 48 states, excluding Alaska and Canada. So if what you are saying is true, DAL owes me a lot of money.

sailingfun 08-03-2010 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 850253)
Hey IA, I humbly think you're wrong. And, plus, tell that to the DALPA guys. They sing a different tune. I've had this discussion with them. We, for example, don't get international pay for Mexico, Central America or Ecuador. 73 guys don't get international pay, period, and we do fly outside of the 48 states, excluding Alaska and Canada. So if what you are saying is true, DAL owes me a lot of money.

DAL owes you a lot of money. You get international pay for any international operation regardless of airline type. I always got it on the 737 when I flew a international trip. I suspect however when you look closely at your pilot pay statement you will see it is there. There is a column called international hours.

The earlier statement is correct. We were able to bring the 700 pay up to the 800 in return for allowing flights on the aircraft deep into SA without calling it a ocean crossing.

1. “International operation” means a flight segment to or from an airport, or between
airports, located outside the contiguous 48 states of the United States.
Exception: A flight segment to or from an airport located in Canada or Alaska will not
be considered an international operation.

Desperado 08-03-2010 05:44 PM

Thanks for the info.

newKnow 08-03-2010 05:54 PM

Any word on how this Mexicana codeshare drop and subsequent bankruptcy will affect our operations and plans?


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