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The earlier statement is correct. We were able to bring the 700 pay up to the 800 in return for allowing flights on the aircraft deep into SA without calling it a ocean crossing.

Do you have any pairing info on this?

Baja.

sailingfun

08-04-2010 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Going2Baja (Post 850374)

Do you have any pairing info on this?

Baja.

Not sure what you are asking? The original city that the company wanted to fly the 700 into was Manaus. It is at 3.06 south. The rule was changed so that flights could go to 3.30 south as long as flight time was under 8 hours and not be considered a ocean crossing. Ocean crossing flights required a longer layover that would not fit with the schedule planned for the aircraft.

CVG767A

08-04-2010 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 850335)

We need to get rid of this escalating pay with size of aircraft crap. We need a CA scale and a FO scale based on years of service. By having the workforce chase bigger equipment, we end up creating thousands of training slots. If we went to the pay scale based on longevity alone, then people wouldn't be moving or jumping all the time. It is cheaper for the company due to much much less training scenarios. Then, we ask for a raise since we save the company money.

When I am 50+ years old, I don't want to be flying all night. I know others don't care about that. But I do. Leave that stuff for the younger kids. I want to get paid $$$ to overnight in Savannah and then go home. Call me crazy.

Frank Lorenzo did that to the Continental guys with their bankruptcy in the early 80's, too. They're now back to a system similar to ours. Any CAL guys out there care to chime in?

sailingfun

08-04-2010 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 850389)

Frank Lorenzo did that to the Continental guys with their bankruptcy in the early 80's, too. They're now back to a system similar to ours. Any CAL guys out there care to chime in?

I think Lorenzo paid one salary for CA and one for FO. Did not matter what aircraft. That has since evolved to 3 different categories if I recall.

One thing to keep in mind is that with a one pay fits all system LOS pay is normally moved to 25 or 30 years max. Quite different from the 12 years we have now. In addition you lose the ability to generate pay raises via new equipment. Part of this thread is about the 737-800 paying more then the Maddog. The reason is we were able to get higher rates because of the greater efficiencies of the airframe. Lots of new aircraft types will be coming online in the next 30 years.It would be a major mistake to give that up.

RiddleEagle18

08-04-2010 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 850317)

Where in the world did that last sentence come from?

RiddleEagle, your posts are usually pretty level headed, so I wonder why you suddenly decide to throw the Comair pilots under the bus?

If you think hating on Comair will give you credibility on a Delta thread, management has already won.

Several Comair guys have gone to Compass. I hope they didn't act like tools toward you or anyone else there.

Perhaps you can tell us about some Comair pilots you have met that are excited to be getting 190s?

DCI peace out,
Boomer

Your right I should have been more specific. I worked at comair and flew with plenty of CVG lifers who told me straight up the only way they were going to make more money was to get larger a/c.

The decisions of this part of the pilot group was one of the reasons I chose to stay at compass instead of taking recall at comair.

The junior part of the comair list is very different and sees scope erosion as a detriment to thier careers.

Sink r8

08-04-2010 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 850392)

If you look at the evolution of aviation from its' infancy, the trend has always been towards larger aircraft (on average). It only makes sense that, as populations grow, any given route could be economically served by larger and larger aircraft. Of course we had the distasteful attempt to fight evolution with the 50-seat RJ, but believing in those was really more of an act of misplaced faith than anything else... which almost killed our airline.

Now that a modicum of sanity and intelligence has returned to our fleet planning, we're going back to larger, more efficient airplanes (imagine that). So I agree with sailing: we need to keep the pay structure that lets us capitalize on size.

beer	08-04-2010 04:56 AM

ASA Buying ExpressJet? WoW!!!!

KC10 FATboy

08-04-2010 05:17 AM

Beer, do you have a link or reference?

KC10 FATboy

08-04-2010 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 850392)

Then we put into the contract that anytime a new aircraft comes onto property, the rates are amendable.

Also, I don't understand the part about the 737-800 getting higher rates because they are more efficient than the Maddogs. Recently, the company has stated in several sources that the MD-90s are the most fuel efficient aircraft we have. Perhaps overall costs are higher, who knows?

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