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Old 09-26-2019 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey
So your negotiating stance is: we don't want mandatory seat locks anymore. So give us extra vacation and voluntary seat locks? This is a joke, right?
Your posts frequently come across as angry, are you aware of that? That is not my negotiating stance at all, and no it’s not a joke. Rephrase the sentence to ‘no *additional* seat locks...’ if it makes it easier to understand. Apologies for being unclear.

1 year seat locks, fine (Though I wish new hires could still have a freebie). 18 months, ok. 2 years is pushing it and I think if the company wants longer seat locks then there may some of us who are open to an incentive but others who definitely are not. So why not let the interested parties work for a win-win. 3 year seat lock for an extra 14 ivd’s: save some training $ and put some $ into a pilots pocket. I got no problem with that.
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Old 09-26-2019 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RAH RAH REE
So you agree with the company bypassing seniority? Because it's basically what happens and it will continue to happen to almost every pilot hired from now on.

It's very possible that I could be stuck on an airplane in a base that I don't want for almost 3 years depending how the AEs are released. All the while some brand new pilot is where I want to be. Will it happen? Probably not the way hiring is right now but you never know.

It's even worse when you consider the pay rate difference between aircraft second year. You could be forced on the 220 NYC and the next week a pilot junior to you could get the 7ER making $40 more an hour in a base you live in.

And don't talk about paying dues, some of us spent a decade and a half stuck at the regionals getting downgraded, bases closed, displaced, whipsawed, etc. We were in the only period in history where the majors didn't hire for almost 10 years.
Ok. But what if I elect to AE to a new position and then the following AE has an opening on my higher paying dream airplane? Are we eliminating that seat lock too or are we only worried about new hires bypassing seniority?
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Old 09-26-2019 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
Ok. But what if I elect to AE to a new position and then the following AE has an opening on my higher paying dream airplane? Are we eliminating that seat lock too or are we only worried about new hires bypassing seniority?
If it's your dream airplane then you can always hold out on it. At least you have a choice. As a newbie you can't just say "no thanks, I'm going to wait until I can hold 777 FO"

Although no seat locks would be ideal, I can see the companies stance because you know there would be pilots that takes advantage of it and are always in training or whatnot.
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Old 09-26-2019 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
They (2 pilots and HR Rep) review this along with other paperwork, an hour before you do your HR portion of the interview. It does nothing for your actual “point scoring” for the email invite for the interview

Simply put, your whole application is looked at including AirlineApps letter of recommendations “only” at the HR portion on the interview. Like someone else said, it may be a determining factor if they (2 pilots and HR rep) are on the fence.
Again, this is not correct. The person scoring the application DOES look at them and it can make a difference
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Old 09-26-2019 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RAH RAH REE
So you agree with the company bypassing seniority? Because it's basically what happens and it will continue to happen to almost every pilot hired from now on.

It's very possible that I could be stuck on an airplane in a base that I don't want for almost 3 years depending how the AEs are released. All the while some brand new pilot is where I want to be. Will it happen? Probably not the way hiring is right now but you never know.

It's even worse when you consider the pay rate difference between aircraft second year. You could be forced on the 220 NYC and the next week a pilot junior to you could get the 7ER making $40 more an hour in a base you live in.

And don't talk about paying dues, some of us spent a decade and a half stuck at the regionals getting downgraded, bases closed, displaced, whipsawed, etc. We were in the only period in history where the majors didn't hire for almost 10 years.
After a decade or more at a regional, you can wait a year before you can bid an AE that requires an equipment change to get the base you want.

There is no way to change new hire seat locks so that a new hire won't have the possibility of someone junior to them on an A/C they want. Why? Because the company needs to distribute new hire training.

You need to really contemplate your position, because if you really have previous airline experience you should have a GOOD understanding on how airline vacancies work and this kind of attitude does not bode well for your career. Being this unhappy as a new hire because you have to deal with one of the risks of being a new hire is not a good way to start.
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Old 09-27-2019 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
Again, this is not correct. The person scoring the application DOES look at them and it can make a difference
What is your source on this information, I have multiple sources inside pilot hiring and propel that say what your saying is not correct
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Old 09-27-2019 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
What is your source on this information, I have multiple sources inside pilot hiring and propel that say what your saying is not correct
No matter you have to make it through 2 day which is a crock! You can score so well and if day 2 comes and you don’t cut the mustard for some stupid reason by a pseudoscience your score means nothing!
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Old 09-27-2019 | 10:16 AM
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For those of us who still use paper logs, would typing up a 1 page summary sheet with times and important dates be above and beyond or is simply tabbing the books sufficient?
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Old 09-27-2019 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Fourpaw
For those of us who still use paper logs, would typing up a 1 page summary sheet with times and important dates be above and beyond or is simply tabbing the books sufficient?
I tabbed my books and brought all 4 to the interview. Seemed to work just fine
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Old 09-27-2019 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Fourpaw
For those of us who still use paper logs, would typing up a 1 page summary sheet with times and important dates be above and beyond or is simply tabbing the books sufficient?
Tabbing is sufficient, as a mater of fact Delta send out the instructions telling you that’s ok. The highering department does a great job of letting you know what you need to do. You don’t need to type anything out just make sure your app is up to date! Good luck! If you’ve prepared you do great!
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