Originally Posted by FangsF15

I can only see back to May, but... They are NOT the same. At. All. The few NY 330 trips ARE commutable - on both ends. And there are MANY times the number of LAX 2-days on the 400, with two pre 0730 departures daily versus a handful (well under one per day) on the 330. Heck, there were 43 trips left in open time alone in June on the 400, more than double the TOTAL number of 330 trips in any of the last three months. The bottom 12 line-holders had almost exclusively non-commutable two-day trips...

When a category that has historically exclusively been 3-day 17-21 hour trips (4 a month) goes to mostly crappy domestic non-commutable two days (meaning 6-7 a month) for the junior guys/gals, it tends to drive the category artificially more junior that it was/would have been. All because Marketing drives the ship. (Which the company has every right to do, btw, it just sucks for us)

Just a little different situation to the 330.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

The commutable two days the 330 had for 2 months. I am referring to the 7AM sign in with a 8:20PM return the next day. We have had it off and on for several years. Had it all last fall.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

The 330 and the 400 have been going more junior because of movement across the board.

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF

Classes that I know of:
17 Jun
8 Jul
22 Jul
5 Aug

Originally Posted by sailingfun

I suppose to appease the pilot group Delta could pull out of the high dollar trans con market. Wonder what the forum would say about that?

Originally Posted by RAH RAH REE

I'd say not anytime soon. Maybe in a few years. With the md88s going away and 717lax closure all the 320 spots are be taken by those guys. And any new AE coming out will fill any available 320 spots with guys dying to get out of NYC or off of the 717 or 220.

But the 220 right now is the new hottness seniority wise, just nobody knows it yet. With most new hires going to it in NYC and delivery of 2-3 planes a month new hires will probably have a line within 3 months

Originally Posted by gloopy

That's a bit much though. I don't think very many would advocate for that just for their personal sitch.

But when the entire month of open time is the exact same crappy trip, they should build better trips. By definition those undesireable trips go from major hub to major hub (or at least major focus city) so if marketing wants to keep using those AC for those markets, they pairings they're built into need to improve, even if *gasp* that increases credit.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

That’s exactly what we saw on the 330. I also saw it on the 7ER with the 2 day non commutable MEX trip. The bad stuff will sink to the bottom. I am hearing the 767-400 is going to become the go to trans con aircraft as more A330-900’s arrive. I learned long ago never bid a category based on trips because they will change.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

That’s exactly what we saw on the 330. I also saw it on the 7ER with the 2 day non commutable MEX trip. The bad stuff will sink to the bottom. I am hearing the 767-400 is going to become the go to trans con aircraft as more A330-900’s arrive. I learned long ago never bid a category based on trips because they will change.