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Old 06-25-2019, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15 View Post
I can only see back to May, but... They are NOT the same. At. All. The few NY 330 trips ARE commutable - on both ends. And there are MANY times the number of LAX 2-days on the 400, with two pre 0730 departures daily versus a handful (well under one per day) on the 330. Heck, there were 43 trips left in open time alone in June on the 400, more than double the TOTAL number of 330 trips in any of the last three months. The bottom 12 line-holders had almost exclusively non-commutable two-day trips...

When a category that has historically exclusively been 3-day 17-21 hour trips (4 a month) goes to mostly crappy domestic non-commutable two days (meaning 6-7 a month) for the junior guys/gals, it tends to drive the category artificially more junior that it was/would have been. All because Marketing drives the ship. (Which the company has every right to do, btw, it just sucks for us)

Just a little different situation to the 330.
The commutable two days the 330 had for 2 months. I am referring to the 7AM sign in with a 8:20PM return the next day. We have had it off and on for several years. Had it all last fall. We seemed to have split it about evenly with the 400. I doubt one trip in the bid package has much effect on how people bid. The 330 and the 400 have been going more junior because of movement across the board. The 330 also had similar SFO trips.
I suppose to appease the pilot group Delta could pull out of the high dollar trans con market. Wonder what the forum would say about that?
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Old 06-25-2019, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
The commutable two days the 330 had for 2 months. I am referring to the 7AM sign in with a 8:20PM return the next day. We have had it off and on for several years. Had it all last fall.
After seeing it as a summer only nuisance for a time, the 400 has had it continuously for over two years (and two MOAB's), and has gotten 'worse' with two daily non-commutable trips. The fact the 330 has only occasionally had it (with at least sometimes fully commutable trips) is why the 330 'juniority' has not seen the same shift.
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Old 06-25-2019, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
The 330 and the 400 have been going more junior because of movement across the board.
How's that work?
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Old 06-25-2019, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF View Post
Classes that I know of:
17 Jun
8 Jul
22 Jul
5 Aug

Any word on the sizes of the July and August classes?
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Old 06-25-2019, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
I suppose to appease the pilot group Delta could pull out of the high dollar trans con market. Wonder what the forum would say about that?
That's a bit much though. I don't think very many would advocate for that just for their personal sitch.

But when the entire month of open time is the exact same crappy trip, they should build better trips. By definition those undesireable trips go from major hub to major hub (or at least major focus city) so if marketing wants to keep using those AC for those markets, they pairings they're built into need to improve, even if *gasp* that increases credit.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RAH RAH REE View Post
I'd say not anytime soon. Maybe in a few years. With the md88s going away and 717lax closure all the 320 spots are be taken by those guys. And any new AE coming out will fill any available 320 spots with guys dying to get out of NYC or off of the 717 or 220.

But the 220 right now is the new hottness seniority wise, just nobody knows it yet. With most new hires going to it in NYC and delivery of 2-3 planes a month new hires will probably have a line within 3 months
The 220 guys will be spending a lot of time in EWR as they get rid of the 717s.
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Old 06-25-2019, 02:08 PM
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That's a bit much though. I don't think very many would advocate for that just for their personal sitch.

But when the entire month of open time is the exact same crappy trip, they should build better trips. By definition those undesireable trips go from major hub to major hub (or at least major focus city) so if marketing wants to keep using those AC for those markets, they pairings they're built into need to improve, even if *gasp* that increases credit.
Thatís exactly what we saw on the 330. I also saw it on the 7ER with the 2 day non commutable MEX trip. The bad stuff will sink to the bottom. I am hearing the 767-400 is going to become the go to trans con aircraft as more A330-900ís arrive. I learned long ago never bid a category based on trips because they will change.
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Old 06-25-2019, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Thatís exactly what we saw on the 330. I also saw it on the 7ER with the 2 day non commutable MEX trip. The bad stuff will sink to the bottom. I am hearing the 767-400 is going to become the go to trans con aircraft as more A330-900ís arrive. I learned long ago never bid a category based on trips because they will change.
Aint that the truth.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Thatís exactly what we saw on the 330. I also saw it on the 7ER with the 2 day non commutable MEX trip. The bad stuff will sink to the bottom. I am hearing the 767-400 is going to become the go to trans con aircraft as more A330-900ís arrive. I learned long ago never bid a category based on trips because they will change.
Sure, but pages and pages of open time all of which are non commutable 2 days, month after month, shouldn't ever be a thing in any category, especially in a base with the vast majority being commuters.

If it does become a transcon machine that should at least open up more options to build pairings. I'm sure it will still do a fair amount of international as well. That said, aren't they going through a significant cabin refresh? Unless they're going to be multipile and rather significant differences within the fleet config, it seems like it would still be mostly an intl plane...unless they're getting ready to go hard against the brutal undercutting of the transcon market that's going on ATM (and soon TA flying as well).

We either pay a lot to win that battle now or we pay far more later.
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Old 06-25-2019, 07:22 PM
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Big pay airplanes flying domestically... oh the horror! And somehow the 757 good domestic trips are gone from the middle of the country. Sorry outside the NYC artificially proletariat crowd we say SMH
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