[QUOTE=Yumyum;2243047]Did it ever occur to you that Delta can't hire our entire pilot group? Yes a percentage moved on and good for them. Staffing regional airlines is going to worse in the coming years. Why would Delta want to drain Endeavor pilots? Seems that would only contribute to the problem. Also don't kid yourself about the interview prep... some Endeavor guys studied their you know what off and still got the shaft. All you can do is move on and apply elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

Yup, while they grabbed up several of our sim instructors and check airmen, they certainly passed over quite a few very good ones.... enough to make sure it didn't disrupt training here. We are a golden goose of profit for Delta. They will squeeze every last egg they can out of here.

 

Well, Delta likes to hire line check airmen and sim instructors, and those guys are unfortunately not in short supply right now. Why on earth should they hire a run-of-the-mill line pilot with the same conventional background as 2000 other FOs/CAs also vying for a single spot to work there? And moreover, they don't want to drain their regional feed as mentioned already.

 

Some fighter pilot squadron commanders get passed up too. No group has a 100% success rate, and every group has a few who didn't get hired who probably should have gotten hired. And that includes those who prepared well.

But its no secret that many of the SSP candidates (at least initially) walked in (ridiculously) thinking it was just a good old boy, buddy roe, "grin and grip" and that's just asinine.

Again, I never said that if you prepare well, you will have a 100% chance of getting the job. That's never the case. But if the average is around 2/3, and we know there are some who don't take it seriously and some who have attitudes, its safe to say that if you do take it seriously and don't have an attitude, your odds will be above the average.

As for the draining of pilots issue, there's two sides to that coin. On the one hand they need to provide an incentive to get pilots to go and stay there (for a while at least) and on the other hand they, like you said, can't just gut the operation instantly into oblivion. Also though, they want good pilots and good people to work with from all sources.

I'm all for a viable path from EDV to DAL, but its never going to be 100%. And no one is ever going to be "shafted" or whatever because they weren't hired by DL or anywhere else.

While no one knows what the future of this segment of the industry will hold, I think its safe to say there likely won't ever be a pure 100% flow at DL. But when you start out with a 2/3 success rate, and can increase those odds by preparing hard and having a good attitude, that's pretty darn good IMO.

 

And yet they do. All the time. Like, a lot. All. The. Time.

Mil hiring is around half and declining. The rest is civ, and with 1300+ a year (and all the other airlines doing the same) there is no way that current or future new hires will (or ever have been) mostly Chief Line Check Airmen Sim Instructor Door Gunners.

DL and all the others hire PLENTY of "run of the mill" line pilots. Like by the thousands.

 

Not really since that's exactly what was sold to the pilot group during the bankruptcy. It was take these extreme cuts but when your number comes up, if you want a job at Delta it's yours, just show up and fill out the paperwork. When questioned by guys like me at the road shows, we were assured that this is what Delta wanted for us, and specific hiring minimum numbers in writing weren't needed. Yes, that was as much if not more a failure of ALPA (and karma got the then MEC chair for it) So perhaps you can understand why the first several groups showed up expecting a handshake and a class date. Even our managers had no idea until word of mouth started getting around that we'd been sold an even bigger lemon contract.

 

That is on the shoulders of those presenting the roadshows. I was warning you guys on here exactly what was going to happen, and it did happen. Apparently they didn't read the language of the SSP agreement??

 

It's still 100% ridiculous. Even if you thought it was just a back slapper, why not at least prepare? Who in their right mind would believe crew room banter or even their MEC's wink and a nod "promise" when the stakes are as high as they were? What are you really saving by not grinding for a few weeks? The gouge is everywhere, and the best prep companies are only a couple hundred bucks. For a multi, multi million dollar career.

Or, you could just walk in and think you've got it, because hey, someone said you probably just got it.

Again, no idea who told you that, but come on. There is no excuse to ever believe that. It wasn't in writing. Again, what are you saving by just walking in and winging it? A few weeks of work? Please. I know its the dawn of the entitlement generation and all that, but come on.

It seriously never occurred to anyone that, since it was not a flow, and was not a guaranteed in writing job, that maybe they were actually taking a look at you?

In this industry? Really?

And again, so you could save what exactly? A few weeks of preparing?

I hope DL takes as many good EDV pilots as want to work at DL. But as long as there is an interview involved, you have to show up with a good attitude and prepared. That has always been the case. I'm sorry if your MEC misrepresented their baby (MEC's happen to do that...ask us how we know) and hopefully the next time some MEC says "hey guys its totally not in writing or anything, but don't worry..." whatever they say next is met with the appropriate level of skepticism.

 

Tim made sure he was chosen.

 

Nah, I told them if they didn't hire me, I'd go pee in the parking lot.

Then again it might have been this guy looking down on me!



Miss ya H !

 

Toolman, always enjoyed our trips! Glad you are doing well at the mothership.