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Old 02-20-2021 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by LoneStar32
It wasn't a good look the other day while deadheading when my phone starting ringing during the takeoff roll.
Forgot to put it on silent....cough cough I mean airplane mode.
There’s a point here. It’s important. If you can’t obey the small rules will you obey the big ones? Do you think a rule is “stupid” or unnecessary so you just ignore it? The rules are the rules. A good safety culture relies on obeying the rules. Large and small. Your attitude toward the rules matter.

True 5G Is not pervasive yet. But it does interfere with the Radar/Radio Altimeter.

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Old 02-20-2021 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin;3197541[b
]There’s a point here. It’s important. If you’re can’t obey the small rules will you obey the big ones? [/b]Do you think a rule is “stupid” or unnecessary so you just ignore it? The rules are the rules. A good safety culture relies on obeying the rules. Large and small.

True 5G Is not pervasive yet. But it does interfere with the Radar/Radio Altimeter.
Well your important point is garbage and has always been a nonsensical saying. Because I don’t put my phone on airplane mode doesn’t make me a murderer, thief, drunk driver, or somebody who will fly under 10,000 feet at 300 knots. But cool story though.
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Old 02-20-2021 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by LoneStar32
Well your important point is garbage and has always been a nonsensical saying. Because I don’t put my phone on airplane mode doesn’t make me a murderer, thief, drunk driver, or somebody who will fly under 10,000 feet at 300 knots. But cool story though.
You know more than the people who made the rules. My point is your attitude toward the rules. It’s a dangerous attitude. It’s pride. It’s like the rules apply to everyone, except you. You are special. It’ll bite you eventually.
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Old 02-20-2021 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
There’s a point here. It’s important. If you can’t obey the small rules will you obey the big ones? Do you think a rule is “stupid” or unnecessary so you just ignore it? The rules are the rules. A good safety culture relies on obeying the rules. Large and small. Your attitude toward the rules matter.

True 5G Is not pervasive yet. But it does interfere with the Radar/Radio Altimeter.
At the risk of sounding like someone that leaves is phone on in flight (I dont, at least not intentionally), I have to ask, do ever drive you car over the posted speed limit? Just not a fan of this argument.
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Old 02-20-2021 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by LoneStar32
Well your important point is garbage and has always been a nonsensical saying. Because I don’t put my phone on airplane mode doesn’t make me a murderer, thief, drunk driver, or somebody who will fly under 10,000 feet at 300 knots. But cool story though.
Yeah but if you sneeze outside your mask nowadays you could be up on charges of attempted assault with intent to harm.
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Old 02-20-2021 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
At the risk of sounding like someone that leaves is phone on in flight (I dont, at least not intentionally), I have to ask, do ever drive you car over the posted speed limit? Just not a fan of this argument.
This verges on personal but no I don’t intentionally speed. I’ve accidentally done it but not intentionally. We all make mistakes. It’s the attitude I’m discussing. That rule is stupid so I don’t obey it. The phone really doesn’t interfere. Does it? Does it matter if it doesn’t? It’s the culture of “the rules don’t apply to me” that is dangerous. It’s why I am merciless deplaning a disruptive passenger. If they can’t follow simple sit in your own seat. Stow your bag. Etc how can I trust that in an emergency evacuation they will follow instructions without question?

Same with crew. We have procedures. Follow them. I hate the guys that ask me “are you standard” because they are not. I’m
as standard as I can be. Striving for perfection. Certainly not there yet. If you’re catch me being non standard call me on it. I’ll fix it.

It’s the ATTITUDE towards the rules.
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Old 02-20-2021 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
This verges on personal but no I don’t intentionally speed. I’ve accidentally done it but not intentionally. We all make mistakes. It’s the attitude I’m discussing. That rule is stupid so I don’t obey it. The phone really doesn’t interfere. Does it? Does it matter if it doesn’t? It’s the culture of “the rules don’t apply to me” that is dangerous. It’s why I am merciless deplaning a disruptive passenger. If they can’t follow simple sit in your own seat. Stow your bag. Etc how can I trust that in an emergency evacuation they will follow instructions without question?

Same with crew. We have procedures. Follow them. I hate the guys that ask me “are you standard” because they are not. I’m
as standard as I can be. Striving for perfection. Certainly not there yet. If you’re catch me being non standard call me on it. I’ll fix it.

It’s the ATTITUDE towards the rules.
OK, that's fine. At least you're consistent. I do drive over the speed limit though. Not because I get there faster (the difference is miniscule enough I'm amazed at how many people insist on driving out of their minds) but because if I do drive the speed limit, I'm so much slower than everyone else I feel like I'm being the safety hazard. Not because I don't think the rules don't apply to me. I can see your point on that as far as some people not thinking the rules apply to them. I just don't like the notion that if you'll break this rule it means that you'll break that rule.
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Old 02-20-2021 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
OK, that's fine. At least you're consistent. I do drive over the speed limit though. Not because I get there faster (the difference is miniscule enough I'm amazed at how many people insist on driving out of their minds) but because if I do drive the speed limit, I'm so much slower than everyone else I feel like I'm being the safety hazard. Not because I don't think the rules don't apply to me. I can see your point on that as far as some people not thinking the rules apply to them. I just don't like the notion that if you'll break this rule it means that you'll break that rule.
CA has a reasonable rule on driving the prevailing speed. It’s a rule that lets you break the rule for safety. Sounds familiar. We have one of those too. Deviating from any rule necessary to handle an emergency. As I said it’s the habitual rule breaking culture and the motivation behind it that’s an issue.
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Old 02-20-2021 | 04:54 PM
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[QUOTE=highfarfast;because if I do drive the speed limit, I'm so much slower than everyone else I feel like I'm being the safety hazard.[/QUOTE]

I drive the speed limit on cruise control listening to “she gonna pop it” by Juicy J. I’d personally feel like a big fat wet kitty if I gave 1/2 an F if others were driving faster than me. Safety hazard? Grow a sack bruh.


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Old 02-20-2021 | 05:13 PM
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Bruh get it right it’s Juicy
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