New Envoy Information
03-26-2016 | 07:23 AM
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Sure, you will cry that it will halt recruiting efforts and no one will come to Envoy. However it appears that's already happened. The few remaining qualified pilots willing to sell their soul to Envoy have all but disappeared. At your seniority, being outside the 824, I would gear up for a longer stint at Envoy than originally planned.
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03-26-2016 | 07:43 AM
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Do you have any clue how many aircraft are already currently parked? Apparently not. It hasn't stopped or slowed the flow yet.
We're actually pulling a few out of storage because we still have staffing.
03-26-2016 | 09:22 AM
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03-26-2016 | 03:03 PM
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3950 was 2015-2021; that is six years from when the company first projected a 6 year flow to AA. Half of the 3950 retirements is well above our entire pilot list of guys who will elect to flow. We've already sent over 500 of the 824. People complain about Envoy shrinking from 3000 to now under 2000 without ever considering that over 850 went via flow to AA. Like it or not, the new AAG is much better than AMR was at making the flow work.
Is it perfect, nope; but it's a better program than anybody else has.
Is it perfect, nope; but it's a better program than anybody else has.
03-26-2016 | 03:09 PM
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Not what you seemed to insinuate.. It was more confidence ALL present Envoy pilots will flow BY 2021. But, to be accurate a new hire of today (or Charlie Bucket from Last May with what, 100 pilots junior to him) are concerned with today's projection forward. If by end of 2020, how many Envoy pilots can flow if only 50% equals 1400 or so ? Not all. Envoy is keen about metering even when they don't have to and can they meter to say 25/month for PP pilots ? If so, by the end of the window you describe (BY 2021), that would be about 300/year or 1300 or so and if Envoy has 1900 pilots the statement all Envoy pilots will flow BY 2020 seems not so cut and dried.
we can play this game all day.
Fact remains the flow is and has been working now for several years. Is it perfect, nope. It is however better than what anybody else has. Complain about it all you want; that is a fact.
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03-26-2016 | 03:17 PM
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if it only went by retirements alone, this year we'd only be sending around 175; while the current projection is closer to 300 should flow. Same for next year; they've already projected flowing well above the number required for retirements alone.
we can play this game all day.
Fact remains the flow is and has been working now for several years. Is it perfect, nope. It is however better than what anybody else has. Complain about it all you want; that is a fact.
You're back on ignore.
we can play this game all day.
Fact remains the flow is and has been working now for several years. Is it perfect, nope. It is however better than what anybody else has. Complain about it all you want; that is a fact.
You're back on ignore.
No problem.
Evasion like this puts me back to highlighting the fact is those claims (and that math) are simply optimistic projections that are no more solid then then anything previously. Pilots should know and understand NOT just the rosiest outlook, but the realistic one as well to make an informed decision.
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