I myself am a former "Air Scuttle" pilot. I do agree Mesa is worse than Envoy. However, what I also understand is I've been at Envoy going on 9 years. My observations over the years show that Envoy about to turn the corner of JO's wonder-world Rock and Roll emporium. Seriously, the guy is something else. I sometimes wonder if DP got his DWIs after leaving JO's nightclubs. His idea of employee Christmas party has go-go dancers, lots of booze, while their pilots scrape by each month. BTW, I remember getting the "Christmas Card". I remember some Mesa pilots doing some questionable things with that card. (It's a family picture, for those who don't know.)

Constant contract violations, lack of communication to schedulers for trades, swaps, drops. Denied pvds. The list goes on. The only thing that sets us slightly higher is the pay and iPads.

 

You mean like "take" being the verb and "serious(ly)" being the adverb? Oh wait.... Um, yeah.

 

I'm at a loss for words, finally. The stupidity and juvenile behavior here over the last week is completely mind boggling. I'd use stronger language, but the mods have seen fit to penalize profanity yet permit domineering psychopathy.

I don't claim to have clean hands, I've slung my darts, but holy ***k you people take the cake. There's no doubt that regardless of who the other players are there are only a *very* few participants the problems continually revolve around. It's an embarrassment and stifles fair discussion.

 

Cool, but have you guys gone paperless on the line yet? Or do you still have to carry your kit bags in addition to the iPad? It took us about 4 months from start of tablet issuance to finally going paperless here at XE.

 

We are transitioning to mostly paperless. iPad mounts are being installed in the cockpit right now. We are also getting QRH's installed in the aircraft. I'm not 100% on what will be left for us manual-wise at the end of it all, but our current iPad setup already has everything in it. Checklists, MEL, manuals, Jepps, performance manuals. It's all in there.

 

We have been carrying only iPads online for a few years now (under the voluntary program). Using our own personal iPads and mounts. I haven't carried any paper for at least 2 years, probably longer. I can't remember.

The only people that have to continue carrying paper are those who aren't in the voluntary iPad program. I see very few people anymore that carry paper over the last year or so. Maybe 1 in 10?

The rest of us just will have to carry both iPads for another month or so. Stupid, but it is what it is.

 

We dropped paper years ago. Or atleast people had the option to drop paper. Now the company is providing ipads and ram mounts. Coming in a couple weeks all we need to bring is check list ipad and the paper WB if computers fail.

 

Thanks for the info! Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming...

 

Well, I thought I'd be out until very late, but no.......

Honest to god, I will try to reach you on a serious level too and not be combative, but disagreement is not combat.

I looked over my post history on this thread and saw very little of "hammering away daily" at Envoy projections or flow claims. I had to go back 16 posts to find a reference. The posts after that were all defensive in nature from several individuals with the same history, so that claim is not supported by the facts. This forum has a universal philosophy of not limiting anyone from posting in any forum, yet for some reason you and others want special control to decide who does and does not post on a thread with Envoy in the topic. Envoy pilots post on other forums and I don't see that same demand made elsewhere by others to the degree it is made here, if at all.

...and you are not playing a victim card here ? You and others also have made their opinions known repeatedly, yet you demand carte blanche to do so unfettered and unquestioned ? I don't see this as a forum rule. I'm sorry. Apparently, you consider questioning what is represented or defending myself from what can only be considered an onslaught of personal attack as a "stunt", but that can be viewed equally in opposition to you and others as well.

Yes, you can make those assumptions, but others are just as proper in questioning them as that....assumption, as when looking forward into the future, there is no such thing as fact. It's done on other forums and Envoy isn't special......or is it ?

It sounds like our ability to communicate might indeed be a waste of time for both of us. You know, in the past, one tack has been to accuse my of being a conspiracy theorist in some of the things I see on these Envoy forums, but now you imply the mods now are part of some group that has it out for Envoy and I think that is seriously misguided. Perhaps they are simply allowing free discussion of issues and topics and not succumbing to demands for censorship of people who have points of view that annoy others ?

In the interest of diffusing the situation, why don't we ALL simply avoid discussion of projections and assumptions regarding upgrade and flow as it seems to be the basis for conflict which some simply cannot tolerate ? Hard information that is undisputed and has already occurred should be no problem as who can argue with that ?

I'm trying my best to minimize conflict, but I cannot agree that some members demanding others be "run off the forum" like that advocated at EL occur here. It simply isn't fair.

 

Wow.