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05-19-2016, 03:54 PM
#2891
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Originally Posted by ag386
Something these seriously pro-envoy types here seemingly will never get, you must have new hires in at least in numbers that are close to the amount of people leaving for retirement, attrition, flow, medical or other reasons.
Whether it's 38 new hires per month to make the 2.5 year upgrade and/or 38 new hires per month to have the flow work as promised. They aren't getting anywhere close.
Look at the thread regarding the withholding of FO's from their Captain upgrades. The Envoy ALPA e-mail has a desperate tone to it. Even they have realized that management doesn't fulfill their promises. Only the few here who have their heads buried in the sand continue to cling to the VP of Ops 2.5/5.5 Flow Baby Flow model.
Whether it's 38 new hires per month to make the 2.5 year upgrade and/or 38 new hires per month to have the flow work as promised. They aren't getting anywhere close.
Look at the thread regarding the withholding of FO's from their Captain upgrades. The Envoy ALPA e-mail has a desperate tone to it. Even they have realized that management doesn't fulfill their promises. Only the few here who have their heads buried in the sand continue to cling to the VP of Ops 2.5/5.5 Flow Baby Flow model.
Here's a quick story for you...I have a friend that went to Atlas about 2 years ago. He texted me last week saying he was on an American Eagle aircraft operated by TSA and said "when the hell did that happen?" Mind you, he spent about 7 years here. Moral of the story? He moved on to bigger and better things and never looked back. He couldn't care less about this place, nor should he. Why? Because he has a life and he doesn't work here anymore!
05-19-2016, 04:22 PM
#2892
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Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84
We get it. Envoy f'd you and you're butt hurt. How come you don't post in the Allegiant threads? It's a serious question.
Here's a quick story for you...I have a friend that went to Atlas about 2 years ago. He texted me last week saying he was on an American Eagle aircraft operated by TSA and said "when the hell did that happen?" Mind you, he spent about 7 years here. Moral of the story? He moved on to bigger and better things and never looked back. He couldn't care less about this place, nor should he. Why? Because he has a life and he doesn't work here anymore!
Here's a quick story for you...I have a friend that went to Atlas about 2 years ago. He texted me last week saying he was on an American Eagle aircraft operated by TSA and said "when the hell did that happen?" Mind you, he spent about 7 years here. Moral of the story? He moved on to bigger and better things and never looked back. He couldn't care less about this place, nor should he. Why? Because he has a life and he doesn't work here anymore!
It's a serious question. If you're going to preach that mantra or criticize others for it, you shouldn't violate it yourself.
05-19-2016, 04:27 PM
#2893
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Why then do you post on threads of airlines YOU don't work for ?
It's a serious question. If you're going to preach that mantra or criticize others for it, you shouldn't violate it yourself.
It's a serious question. If you're going to preach that mantra or criticize others for it, you shouldn't violate it yourself.
05-19-2016, 05:19 PM
#2894
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Originally Posted by Eaglepilot84
Relax Francis, I just like f'ing with you because you're such a lunatic. So forgive me for posting on an AA thread once.
I understand though. Considering your increasingly precarious situation at Envoy, "f'ing" with me must be one of the few ways you have left to get off, so again.....
.....your welcome.
05-20-2016, 03:20 AM
#2899
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If Envoy withheld 5 from flowing earlier this year and they are withholding 12 FO's from their upgrade to make it through the summer, what makes anyone think that they would never withhold from the flow in the future to continue to operate their schedule?
They have a reprieve this summer as the furloughees return. As I've said before, late this fall as the overall pilot group shrinks to the maximum point that Envoy can accept and still operate it's schedule, you will see withholding of the flow beyond just the metered amounts. The entire regional industry is in slow motion collapse and Envoy managers still can't see the light of the oncoming train.
They have a reprieve this summer as the furloughees return. As I've said before, late this fall as the overall pilot group shrinks to the maximum point that Envoy can accept and still operate it's schedule, you will see withholding of the flow beyond just the metered amounts. The entire regional industry is in slow motion collapse and Envoy managers still can't see the light of the oncoming train.
05-20-2016, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ag386
If Envoy withheld 5 from flowing earlier this year and they are withholding 12 FO's from their upgrade to make it through the summer, what makes anyone think that they would never withhold from the flow in the future to continue to operate their schedule?
They have a reprieve this summer as the furloughees return. As I've said before, late this fall as the overall pilot group shrinks to the maximum point that Envoy can accept and still operate it's schedule, you will see withholding of the flow beyond just the metered amounts. The entire regional industry is in slow motion collapse and Envoy managers still can't see the light of the oncoming train.
They have a reprieve this summer as the furloughees return. As I've said before, late this fall as the overall pilot group shrinks to the maximum point that Envoy can accept and still operate it's schedule, you will see withholding of the flow beyond just the metered amounts. The entire regional industry is in slow motion collapse and Envoy managers still can't see the light of the oncoming train.
Guess what? We are still flowing. The flow is working as intended. Get over it!
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