Can you please cite exact references to PDT or PSA pilots complaining about the extra $5,000? Can you show proof that either pilot group cared at all, and that they demanded that this be stopped?

If not, stop whining.

I can't imagine any other regional pilots cared about this at all.

 

That escalated quickly. I'm not sure how I was any of those things, but glad you're moving on. You need it.

 

Inky is my source a few posts above. He is in recruiting, has a good reputation, and is well known over here.

I'm not saying the line pilots were complaining, it's probably from management or recruiting folks much higher up.

What I am trying to point out is that improvements at one WO should be seen as good for all. As I said before, a rising tide lifts all boats. The only way we can defeat the internal whipsaw we've got is supporting improvements made at any carrier.


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Tell people to relax and get laid? Your post history is all the proof needed to show you're an internet toughy. I don't need anything. I've earned it.

 

Congratulations on moving on to bigger and better things. The best thing to do is just ignore all of the "Envoy is better than your carrier and blows everyone else away our flow is better we are AA pilots the flow will never never never stop" goons.

They are all going to end up living with the reality of being Envoy pilots for a much longer time than they think. Current flows are 15.5 or so years. I don't expect that in the future but I do expect 10 plus to flow. There are real problems there that are not addressed in this forum. Namely the lack of new hires and the fact that the flow will become a trickle due to more bodies leaving than are coming in. That's a hard numbers fact.

 

Came straight out of Ricks mouth in a meet and greet. Not that I am a reputable source and stuff.

 

Spot on. Unfortunately, instead offering an additional bonus for new hires at all WO's (which, as we all know, money talks these days. Albeit, I wish it were hourly pay rates and not "bonuses", but that's another topic of discussion.), it was decided to just keep it at $15k. It's a very problematic dynamic when all new hires want the E175 because the other fleets (and their pilots) suffer when that happens. Yet, overall, we need new hires. Now, the other WO's don't have this dynamic to deal with (or perhaps they do in the form of staffing certain domiciles) so maybe they didn't get the 'why' we had to do it.

Regardless, it's clear that AAG wants the WO's on a "level playing field" with regards to recruiting.

 

The other WO's cashed in with the quick upgrades and acquiring new/ENY's aircraft first while ENY suffered the loss of those aircraft, in addition to everything else that was happening here. I'm skeptical of the newhire numbers, one or two good months does not make up for a long stretch of poor or minimal hiring.

The WO's need to work together to solve the internal whipsawing and stop stabbing each other in the back every time some minor improvement comes along, especially knowing if it directly comes at the expense of another WO. Until that happens each WO is going to take advantage of whatever comes its way, just like ENY might be finally able to take advantage of a hopefully longer lived hiring surge.

And flows are at 16+ years, they haven't cleared the early 2000's from the pool yet, so we're not under 16 years yet.

 

The reason Envoy cannot attract new hires is due to their well-deserved reputation for making open-war against this pilot group and beating down employees like dogs. Stand up to them and you're fired.

Two union reps, both thorns in the side of management have been recently singled out and fired in order to send a clear message to the pilot group. Know your place and keep your mouth shut. Will anyone step forward to take there place knowing they will be marked for termination?

Call in sick too much? Management is now having pilots followed by private investigators and firing them if they're seen doing anything management feels they shouldn't be doing while out sick, like eating.

Stay away. Stay far away.

 

One?

One person leaving resulted in $5,000 "equipment retention" bonuses?

Interesting.

I heard it was a common occurrence in a few classes that people would go on lunch break and not come back. The common theme was not being awarded the 175.

Maybe that's different than straight up walking out.

Regardless, it seems to have stopped and the new hires are picking up...

Just in time for the company to institute/enforce some new, unannounced absence control policies. If I was new and on probation, I'd carry a lot of hand sanitizer. Lol, kidding of course.

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