New Envoy Information
01-28-2016 | 09:31 AM
#941
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False. EL is predominantly negative. Posted polls have failed to accurately predict vote results in contractual issues. That's a fact. Rumors are 12 Ga bird shot, if you fire enough rounds you're bound to get a hit once in a while. I'm not good enough to pick the winning argument out of all that spray, I don't have the ego to be always right.
01-28-2016 | 09:49 AM
#942
Gets Weekends Off
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From: Feito no Brasil, CA
I'm not sure who that was directed at, but are you honestly going to sit here and defend managements decision to meter below 50%? You do realize that we are VERY overstaffed right now correct? Just take a look at the DFW reserve list, or all the zero time lines.
If this is how management is going to handle the flow moving forward, then be prepared for pain. They're metering now? Just wait until we are even marginally understaffed.
Btw in regards to your snide investment comment, I just sold all my shares of Facebook for a nice 80% return, thank you very much.
If this is how management is going to handle the flow moving forward, then be prepared for pain. They're metering now? Just wait until we are even marginally understaffed.
Btw in regards to your snide investment comment, I just sold all my shares of Facebook for a nice 80% return, thank you very much.
It wasn't at you.
Maybe change job fields if you're investment acumen is so good, I'm sure people would pay you handsomely for your advice. On the other hand, one good investment does not an expert make. I made 6x my investment on AAL in bankruptcy, but I'm not telling you what to do with your money.
Tell me where I defended them? And if you actually knew what the contract said you wouldn't have opened your mouth because they only sent as many as the contract required them to.
Go look it up, I'm not spoon feeding anyone here.
01-28-2016 | 09:56 AM
#944
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From: Feito no Brasil, CA
His job is to Sell and defend, which has been obvious from the beginning. You'll notice he talks about "we" when discussing Envoy. He's spinning the latest bad news (reduced flow via metering while overstaffed) like a top, but failing miserably and I think he's in denial of what the general vibe is among most line pilots, more of whom seem to be unable to avoid the realistic conclusions of the latest facts.
Same goes for you.
Go call one of your friends to look it up, if you have any. It has to do with the arrival of the 175. They sent exactly as many as they were supposed to.
But I guess our contract is just spin, right? Or the fact that your "facts" are full of it.
01-28-2016 | 09:59 AM
#945
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So by your logic, we should trust them to true up to 50% later this year because that's what the award states, even though they should have released 50% this month BECAUSE THATS WHAT THE AWARD STATES. Am I following your logic?
01-28-2016 | 10:13 AM
#946
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From: Feito no Brasil, CA
Either you're willfully ignorant or just cherry picking.
I can't believe I looked this up just for you:
Upon delivery of the first EMB-175 as set forth in Appendix D and assuming
824 Envoy pilots have not flowed through to AA at that time, 50% of all AA new
hire training slots, no fewer than 30 per month (subject to the 50%), shall go to
Envoy pilots until a total of 824 Envoy pilots have flowed through to AA.
824 Envoy pilots have not flowed through to AA at that time, 50% of all AA new
hire training slots, no fewer than 30 per month (subject to the 50%), shall go to
Envoy pilots until a total of 824 Envoy pilots have flowed through to AA.
You don't get to pick and choose which part of the award is applied. As to the true up...who the heck knows. If there aren't a large number of letter T pilots, things should be OK. If a bunch come back we're screwed unless the work some schoolhouse magic.
01-28-2016 | 10:28 AM
#947
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Either you're willfully ignorant or just cherry picking.
I can't believe I looked this up just for you:
As you say: "THAT'S WHAT THE AWARD STATES."
You don't get to pick and choose which part of the award is applied. As to the true up...who the heck knows. If there aren't a large number of letter T pilots, things should be OK. If a bunch come back we're screwed unless the work some schoolhouse magic.
I can't believe I looked this up just for you:
As you say: "THAT'S WHAT THE AWARD STATES."
You don't get to pick and choose which part of the award is applied. As to the true up...who the heck knows. If there aren't a large number of letter T pilots, things should be OK. If a bunch come back we're screwed unless the work some schoolhouse magic.
01-28-2016 | 12:29 PM
#949
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Either you're willfully ignorant or just cherry picking.
I can't believe I looked this up just for you:
As you say: "THAT'S WHAT THE AWARD STATES."
You don't get to pick and choose which part of the award is applied. As to the true up...who the heck knows. If there aren't a large number of letter T pilots, things should be OK. If a bunch come back we're screwed unless the work some schoolhouse magic.
I can't believe I looked this up just for you:
As you say: "THAT'S WHAT THE AWARD STATES."
You don't get to pick and choose which part of the award is applied. As to the true up...who the heck knows. If there aren't a large number of letter T pilots, things should be OK. If a bunch come back we're screwed unless the work some schoolhouse magic.
Why didn't you highlight the part of the award that clearly states 50%? Or the part of the original 824 agreement which highlights when it is acceptable to meter? Here it is for your viewing pleasure...
"As such, AE management will release no fewer than 20 AE pilots per month in a month in which AA is entering new hire pilots into training, in an effort to meet the 50%. If AE management determines that they can release more than 20 pilots in any given month, they will do so. "
So my question to you is do you think management had a viable reason for determining they could not release more than 30 pilots? (For those unfamiliar, this is the original 824 agreement. The number 20 was changed to 30 as part of the most recent contract)
And please, don't talk to me about stock advise. I'm not an expert and never claim to be. I was merely shooting down the fact that you said something to the effect that I have no forward thinking in one of your many petty jabs which I've seen amongst a lot of you recently.
01-28-2016 | 12:47 PM
#950
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From: Feito no Brasil, CA
New Envoy Information
No. I am not ok with it. I disagree with what the company is doing. 50% is 50%, but they use their own math.
The stock jab? So be it. You used it in defense against a comment that had nothing to do with you, which I already told you had nothing to do with you. If you wish to make it about you, please continue to bring it up.
The stock jab? So be it. You used it in defense against a comment that had nothing to do with you, which I already told you had nothing to do with you. If you wish to make it about you, please continue to bring it up.
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