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Old 12-07-2017, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying View Post
Anyone have any info on how the lines will start looking in Miami and Dallas at the beginning of the year?
The last I heard from some of the guys who've seen some flight file stuff for next year was that DFW 145 would increase a little bit, NYC was going to increase with some through flying in the old USair system to cover for Air Wisconsin while ORD would grow on 175, decrease on CRJ and be pretty flat on 145. Didn't ask about MIA but flying within the MIA system isn't that robust but it's not hard to do through flying out of MIA to other east coast bases so who knows. I would guess that DFW 175 flying is probably roughly where they want it going forward.
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by go skers View Post
The last I heard from some of the guys who've seen some flight file stuff for next year was that DFW 145 would increase a little bit, NYC was going to increase with some through flying in the old USair system to cover for Air Wisconsin while ORD would grow on 175, decrease on CRJ and be pretty flat on 145. Didn't ask about MIA but flying within the MIA system isn't that robust but it's not hard to do through flying out of MIA to other east coast bases so who knows. I would guess that DFW 175 flying is probably roughly where they want it going forward.
Well, one thing we know for sure, 175 flying in ORD will increase significantly after the new year.
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Old 12-07-2017, 11:54 AM
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I see we’re picking up DFW-MKE next week, which had been mainline.
How is it decided what routes get flown by mainline vs regional?
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Old 12-07-2017, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bourbon scamp View Post
I see we’re picking up DFW-MKE next week, which had been mainline.
How is it decided what routes get flown by mainline vs regional?
AA employs and pays analysts lots of money to figure that out. It's very dynamic. One month a route may be Envoy, then the next it may be mainline. A month or two later, it could be back to Envoy.
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Old 12-07-2017, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bourbon scamp View Post
I see we’re picking up DFW-MKE next week, which had been mainline.
How is it decided what routes get flown by mainline vs regional?
It's all bassed on Market demand. They utilize lots of historical data. I am sure there is a certain load factor they are trying to acheive. Flying planes half full and leaving 20 people behind constantly isn't good for the bottom line. They shift both the aircraft size and freqneucy daily to match the market. This is one of the reasons our schedules are so lousy. AMR used to do the same size aircraft and same number of flights per day, 6 days a week. With Saturday being the one day with a reduced schedule. Now it's all over the map.

The only place where we fly regardless of load factor is our maintenance bases. It's better having revenue off set the cost of ferrying airplanes and up the frequency to accommodate all the paxs.

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Old 12-07-2017, 12:46 PM
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I'm an FO in Miami. I'm a line holder but my line sucks ass. A bunch of two day trips mashed together. Perfect if I live in base but it's a two leg commute or fly to an airport over an hour away and drive home. Either way, it's a hassle. For the second time in a week, I got displaced off my normal trip. Of course they will look for flying. I've gotten day one off both times, but a turn early morning on day two is the only flying they find. Too early too commute so I have to come they day before. With my commute, I essentially have to leave me house at noon to ensure there are two flights. I've sent the messages to drop the trip but I'm always told they can't due to staffing limitations.
This time particularly, I know is BS. They took a turn off of a 4 day trip which is now broken up for the reserve guys to feast upon. Since it didn't return to Miami, they added a handful of deadheads to be able to offer it broken up. I just know the reserve guy who picks it up will in fact be legal to fly the trip as originally published(with the turn they gave me included). So the notion that staffing is limited that much is ridiculous.
But now I have to spend over a day in commuting and hotels to fly 1.45 hrs.
Kinda ranting here because its happened twice in six days, but any suggestions on where to get the lube needed to handle this much girth?
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by fatman View Post
I'm an FO in Miami. I'm a line holder but my line sucks ass. A bunch of two day trips mashed together. Perfect if I live in base but it's a two leg commute or fly to an airport over an hour away and drive home. Either way, it's a hassle. For the second time in a week, I got displaced off my normal trip. Of course they will look for flying. I've gotten day one off both times, but a turn early morning on day two is the only flying they find. Too early too commute so I have to come they day before. With my commute, I essentially have to leave me house at noon to ensure there are two flights. I've sent the messages to drop the trip but I'm always told they can't due to staffing limitations.
This time particularly, I know is BS. They took a turn off of a 4 day trip which is now broken up for the reserve guys to feast upon. Since it didn't return to Miami, they added a handful of deadheads to be able to offer it broken up. I just know the reserve guy who picks it up will in fact be legal to fly the trip as originally published(with the turn they gave me included). So the notion that staffing is limited that much is ridiculous.
But now I have to spend over a day in commuting and hotels to fly 1.45 hrs.
Kinda ranting here because its happened twice in six days, but any suggestions on where to get the lube needed to handle this much girth?
Just spread your cheeks as wide as possible and don’t hold your breath they like to use sandpaper for lube at CS
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by fatman View Post
I'm an FO in Miami. I'm a line holder but my line sucks ass. A bunch of two day trips mashed together. Perfect if I live in base but it's a two leg commute or fly to an airport over an hour away and drive home. Either way, it's a hassle. For the second time in a week, I got displaced off my normal trip. Of course they will look for flying. I've gotten day one off both times, but a turn early morning on day two is the only flying they find. Too early too commute so I have to come they day before. With my commute, I essentially have to leave me house at noon to ensure there are two flights. I've sent the messages to drop the trip but I'm always told they can't due to staffing limitations.
This time particularly, I know is BS. They took a turn off of a 4 day trip which is now broken up for the reserve guys to feast upon. Since it didn't return to Miami, they added a handful of deadheads to be able to offer it broken up. I just know the reserve guy who picks it up will in fact be legal to fly the trip as originally published(with the turn they gave me included). So the notion that staffing is limited that much is ridiculous.
But now I have to spend over a day in commuting and hotels to fly 1.45 hrs.
Kinda ranting here because its happened twice in six days, but any suggestions on where to get the lube needed to handle this much girth?
My friend. welcome to envoy. I see that the smell of the new car has worn away. When they sign you up, was the salesman selling you 5 years flow and upgrade in 1 year or less?

I am sorry for your condition there at envoy. It is bad the way that the pilots are treated there. I know, I spend many years at american eagle before envoy. It is true that envoy treats pilots worse the old american eagle.
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Old 12-07-2017, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rondonq1 View Post
My friend. welcome to envoy. I see that the smell of the new car has worn away. When they sign you up, was the salesman selling you 5 years flow and upgrade in 1 year or less?

I am sorry for your condition there at envoy. It is bad the way that the pilots are treated there. I know, I spend many years at american eagle before envoy. It is true that envoy treats pilots worse the old american eagle.
Finally a post that is actually truthful from start to finish. I knew you could do it.
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Old 12-07-2017, 04:02 PM
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The flow is running like a fine tune machine!
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