Maybe because we think you could do much better?

 

That’s the case for any negotiation. At republic, we had everyone commenting on our TA. Without it, your union/employer could tell you anything about another carriers contract. I don’t think anyone here has said it’s a bad deal, but instead have brought attention to individual aspects of it.

The rates themselves are not good. Without the EQO, quite frankly, it sucks. Bringing rates up is fine, but if your soft pay and work rules suck, you are going to be stuck with those rules for the next 3 years or longer.

And every pilot has an interest in the outcome even if they don’t work there as every airline looks to each other when it comes time for them to enter negotiations.

 

I’ve worked here long enough to know that we are in a different situation than almost anybody else out there. I also know that when we held the line and voted our last TA down, it yielded us JACK SQUAT (you didn’t even work for the airlines when that happened). This TA is a gain. It’s not what I would like, but it’s something I can get on board with. Maybe we could do better, but we won’t. It’s that simple. There will be no better offer. We will keep what we have and INC will continue to bleed us until we can’t sustain. And that isn’t gonna be that far off.

 

However many hours someone credits, just add $10k/$8k to the total, year end. The 80 hour thing is just to try to accurately show what that would equate to as far as a pay rate in order to try to compare apples to apples. It’s not fuzzy management provided and funded charts like you get at Skywest. Any other sleuthing you want to try to point out?

Again, rich coming from Skywest pilot group which has always made the excuse to not set the bar for fear of not being competitive. This TA is better than the Skywest rejected TA in total compensation, work rules, retirement, insurance, and scope.




Yeah, but it’s not without the EQO. The TA includes the EQO. And soft pay and work rules don’t suck either, along with insurance and retirement.


I didn’t know that. When you said actual rates, you mean the rates without the EQO. How does it compare with the EQO?


The EQO is part of the total compensation. The conversion to a rate and showing it on the charts is just to be able to compare apples to apples. If someone wanted to, they can also compare regionals’ total compensation by multiplying the rate by the minimum guarantee and multiplying that by 12 months. And for xjt, you would add the $10k/$8k to get total compensation. But then people would argue that no one flies only minimum guarantee. This is just to try to compare each regional fairly. They could have easily used 75 hour guarantee instead of 80 hours in order to come up with a rate that was higher, but they didn’t. The chart is titled with the EQO, so as not to confuse anyone.

This whole EQO things is for OPTICS. It’s for regional pilots, specifically Skywest pilots, to think the total compensation isn’t as high as it will be.

 

Skywest pilots are chiming in because we have been offered TAs with misleading information several times recently- one of which was barely voted in, and one which failed miserably.
The dividing of the bonus to an hourly rate as people were discussing is a clear example- it is being calculated at 70 hours which is artificially high per hour, as most people will probably credit much more each month.

 

Then fly fewer hours.

Or let’s vote that EQO out of there.

That’ll show ‘em

 

My biggest issue with the TA is that there were zero improvements to the trip credit rules. We have a measly 2 hour daily guarantee and 15 hour rig on 4 day trips only. You will frequently see fragments of trips that scheduling drops into open time that are terrible credit. 3 hours of credit for a 2 day!?!?! (one leg to a nearby outstation, overnight, 1 leg back). That's horrendous. If you straight pickup then yea, it's 3.75 per day. But if I want to use it for a swap, fuggetaboutit.

At a minimum the 4 day trip rig (works out to 3.75/day average) needs to be extended to all pairings. A 4 to 1 trip rig on top of that would be nice too.

 

Because jk one should be voting in subpar TA’s. During the vote at OO half of the post were XJT drum beaters. It’s an insult they offer xjt less than they offered OO and you guys think it’s a good deal. Both deals were well below republic and endeavor.

 

Also want to put it out there that if you leave before an eqo payout you lose out on that "pay" you thought you had and got stuck with the dismal rates for the hours you did fly in that quarter.

"O. Earned Quarterly Override
1. Eligibility
For an XJT First Officer or Captain to be eligible for the XJT Earned Quarterly
Override (EQO) the pilot must remain employed through the last day of the
month in the quarter for which the EQO is being paid:
Example: For the EQO being paid in April, the pilot must remain employed
through March 31 (which is the last day of the quarter from January to
March)."

There is too much weight being put into the eqo for me, especially for a more senior FO. It would have been nice to see more of a balance between rates and an eqo. A $3,700 dollar rate increase (6 yr FO) for the year vs 10k for an eqo seems a little lopsided.

 

This is exactly why you don't convert bonuses to an hourly rate, among other obvious reasons that I've already pointed out.