Hiring / training
#2061
^ exactly. I got tired of being stuck on the bottom in DEN after 2 years, so I reactivated my airline apps and updated...DAL called the very next week and UAL the week after that. I'm sure I'm not an outlier. DAL, UAL, and SWA are going to hire 4,000+ next year! If we are going to grow even a tad staffing will be a major hurdle.
Exact same story for me. The shrinking of Denver and East-only growth has made life very stagnant for me. So I re-upped airlineapps just to put the line out there. Heard from UAL and DAL within a couple weeks of each other and have now successfully interviewed at both.
The executive leadership at F9 needs major overhaul. Unless they’re betting on a major economic downturn, we will be caught with our pants down. The time to be competitive for pilots is now.
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#2062
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2020
Posts: 22
I wish you the best of luck with your options, but it always surprises me how many people come to F9 for the DEN domicile. The previously mentioned growing pains aren’t totally untrue…but while those things are likely to improve, the outlook for somebody wanting to live in DEN probably won’t. Buyer beware.
#2063
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Lineholder
Posts: 1,317
while I agree that anybody coming here, if they’ve done their research, likely knew or should know that living in Denver or commuting there might be a stagnant situation for a while. However, the way the times have changed, anybody living on the western side of the country also isn’t in a good spot. Vegas is also stagnant now and showing no signs of improving. I know, I know; PHX is coming…. So they say. Until I see it, I don’t put any stock into it. I don’t think any of us knows what management is thinking or intends to do. This airline could be the perfect fit for a new hire that wants to live / commute to Florida or PHL. However, it’s not becoming a lot of fun for new hires living in other places. Now that the big guys are starting to hire again, I do think we’re going to see a lot of guys jumping ship for different domicile choices / pay.
#2064
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 47
Heres my 2 cents from someone who's been here about 2 years. I found the training department instructors were great along with the sim instructors and check airmen. All my guys on IOE were great as well. Organization wise could it be better here maybe but honestly there are so many moving parts. I just fly airplanes. I show up, do my flights and go home. The planes are great, get paid well and no one bothers me on my days off. My experience thus far has really been positive. Schedule flexibility and QOL have all been great too. I can understand why some would want to go to the legacies especially if you're on the younger side. As I talk with other pilots at the legacies though , I hear the same things just replace the names and we all have similar problems. A lot of it is what you make of it. If you look for the negative you'll find it wherever you are. I'm glad I made the jump here and plan on staying put.
#2065
New Hire
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 9
New hire questions
Hi everyone, I am a new hire, got the November 3rd class and looking forward to start training. There are a few things I am looking to get some insight on, so hopefully you can help.
1. I live in NJ so gonna need a temporary dwelling in Denver for training. If you know a good crash pad within a bus ride, short uber ride or (ideally) walking distance form the Training Center please share it. Also if there is any future classmates on this forum looking for a place to stay PM me, may be we can share a place and uber rides. Let's stick together for group-studying as well.
2. What is the most junior base now? What base is the most prospective in the terms of quick upgrade? I hate commuting so my plan is to move to whatever base I get and just stay there. Preferably long-term as I've been moving around enough and looking to settle down.
3. How long is reserve and what are the reserve rules? Do you do a lot of airport reserve, or is it mostly short- and longcall?
4. How do the trips look like? Are they mostly day or multiple days long? Do crews generally stick together for long or you get different co-pilots and flight attendants every other leg?
Thanks for your help and looking forward to meet you all on the line
1. I live in NJ so gonna need a temporary dwelling in Denver for training. If you know a good crash pad within a bus ride, short uber ride or (ideally) walking distance form the Training Center please share it. Also if there is any future classmates on this forum looking for a place to stay PM me, may be we can share a place and uber rides. Let's stick together for group-studying as well.
2. What is the most junior base now? What base is the most prospective in the terms of quick upgrade? I hate commuting so my plan is to move to whatever base I get and just stay there. Preferably long-term as I've been moving around enough and looking to settle down.
3. How long is reserve and what are the reserve rules? Do you do a lot of airport reserve, or is it mostly short- and longcall?
4. How do the trips look like? Are they mostly day or multiple days long? Do crews generally stick together for long or you get different co-pilots and flight attendants every other leg?
Thanks for your help and looking forward to meet you all on the line
#2066
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,665
Congrats and welcome to Frontier.
1. I’ll let someone more familiar with this topic answer you.
2. Florida bases are junior, especially TPA and MIA at the moment but they are also the newest. I suspect MIA will stay junior. Who knows what will happen with ATL and future bases.
3. Anyones best guess for how long reserve will be for you, but in full growth mode, reserve is usually less than 6 months. We have no airport reserve, just short (2 hr) and long (12 hr) callouts.
4. During COVID they were mostly day trips, but multi-day trips, especially 2 and 3 day have been making a comeback. 4 days have been the longest for several years but there’s nothing restricting the company from creating longer ones. Pilots generally stay together for the entire trip unless it’s a reserve assignment, then you may chop and change a bit. Different with FAs as they have different rest and contract rules. You may have the same FAs the entire trip, but unusual.
1. I’ll let someone more familiar with this topic answer you.
2. Florida bases are junior, especially TPA and MIA at the moment but they are also the newest. I suspect MIA will stay junior. Who knows what will happen with ATL and future bases.
3. Anyones best guess for how long reserve will be for you, but in full growth mode, reserve is usually less than 6 months. We have no airport reserve, just short (2 hr) and long (12 hr) callouts.
4. During COVID they were mostly day trips, but multi-day trips, especially 2 and 3 day have been making a comeback. 4 days have been the longest for several years but there’s nothing restricting the company from creating longer ones. Pilots generally stay together for the entire trip unless it’s a reserve assignment, then you may chop and change a bit. Different with FAs as they have different rest and contract rules. You may have the same FAs the entire trip, but unusual.
#2067
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2019
Posts: 619
If money is an issue I recommend a crash pad. There is one in Green valley ranch ran by a F9 pilot about 2 miles from TC.
If you live in NJ I’d think you’d be close enough to PHL? PHL is plenty junior enough to stay at long term. If not pick a spot in FL and move there. The closest base will work work.
There is no airport sit here. Mostly short call, 2 hours, and a few long call lines, 12 hours.
Welcome to Frontier.
If you live in NJ I’d think you’d be close enough to PHL? PHL is plenty junior enough to stay at long term. If not pick a spot in FL and move there. The closest base will work work.
There is no airport sit here. Mostly short call, 2 hours, and a few long call lines, 12 hours.
Welcome to Frontier.
#2068
Almost there
Joined APC: Apr 2021
Posts: 1,051
Welcome to the team!
1. There is a Facebook group that was pretty strong when I came through class but I’ve heard is getting weaker as time goes on with people in your situation. F9 Poolies. It may provide you with some help in addition to posting here. I rented a basement with a few others and it worked out great. Many are staying at the courtyard as I heard they are giving out a rate if you book the entire two months. Having a car there for training is pretty useful but You have a much farther distance to cover than I did.
The rest have all been answered but we had people holding a line after only a month on reserve in the Tampa base. You can bid into any base, except Denver, within 2-4 months after training currently. Reserve vs holding a line is a different story.
I haven’t flown with a crew member I haven’t liked yet. I hope you find our small team as enjoyable as I have.
1. There is a Facebook group that was pretty strong when I came through class but I’ve heard is getting weaker as time goes on with people in your situation. F9 Poolies. It may provide you with some help in addition to posting here. I rented a basement with a few others and it worked out great. Many are staying at the courtyard as I heard they are giving out a rate if you book the entire two months. Having a car there for training is pretty useful but You have a much farther distance to cover than I did.
The rest have all been answered but we had people holding a line after only a month on reserve in the Tampa base. You can bid into any base, except Denver, within 2-4 months after training currently. Reserve vs holding a line is a different story.
I haven’t flown with a crew member I haven’t liked yet. I hope you find our small team as enjoyable as I have.
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