How long for a contract?
02-18-2025 | 05:37 AM
#1171
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Its just the ATIS/TAF, myradar and lido over here. Everyone else has enroute turbulence, weather, updated stuff, better charts, etc.
02-18-2025 | 06:14 AM
#1172
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Even matching the lowest would be a life changing gain for us! I can't believe I'm hearing this. Keep your head up and don't let the company tell you otherwise! You are WAY more valuable than they are giving you credit for!
I'm a no vote unless it's AT MINIMUM a match of the average. Like everyone else is saying, we put out way more fires with way less resources. We deserve highest plus 30% in reality.
I'm a no vote unless it's AT MINIMUM a match of the average. Like everyone else is saying, we put out way more fires with way less resources. We deserve highest plus 30% in reality.
02-18-2025 | 07:50 AM
#1173
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Even matching the lowest would be a life changing gain for us! I can't believe I'm hearing this. Keep your head up and don't let the company tell you otherwise! You are WAY more valuable than they are giving you credit for!
I'm a no vote unless it's AT MINIMUM a match of the average. Like everyone else is saying, we put out way more fires with way less resources. We deserve highest plus 30% in reality.
I'm a no vote unless it's AT MINIMUM a match of the average. Like everyone else is saying, we put out way more fires with way less resources. We deserve highest plus 30% in reality.
02-18-2025 | 08:48 AM
#1174
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Even matching the lowest would be a life changing gain for us! I can't believe I'm hearing this. Keep your head up and don't let the company tell you otherwise! You are WAY more valuable than they are giving you credit for!
I'm a no vote unless it's AT MINIMUM a match of the average. Like everyone else is saying, we put out way more fires with way less resources. We deserve highest plus 30% in reality.
I'm a no vote unless it's AT MINIMUM a match of the average. Like everyone else is saying, we put out way more fires with way less resources. We deserve highest plus 30% in reality.
A 7 year FO at UA/DL/AA flying the 321neo makes $1/hr more than our 7 yr CA flying the same thing. Their 12 CA makes $100/hr more than our 12 yr CA. That's PER HOUR!
And when you mention average, that depends greatly on which airlines are included. JB is in negotiations (as is NK) - so, of course, their rates are less.
Honestly, AA/UA/DL and to some degree SW made this all easy. They all fly the same class aircraft (we actually fly more people) for roughly the same rate. In fact, negotiations about salary shouldn't even be negotiated. The rates we are willing to accept is the same rate everone else is currently being paid. Period. There really is no need to start high, they start low and we work our way to the middle (and hope that is around the same rate). It really should be "Here's the industry standard rate. If you're not willing to pay every cent of it for each position for each year - and honor a 4% yearly increase and snap-ups whenever warranted, then we're out." And we head towards the impasse, get cooled off then strike. There REALLY shouldn't be any other method for the rates. NOT doing this gives other airlilne mgt ammo for saying the industry average is less.
And, yes the snap up clause is very important (which DL started and received when AA came in higher) just like everone else. This is industry standard at this point.
It should be a no from all of us w/o the EXACT same.
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02-18-2025 | 08:53 AM
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The MEC has updated the contract comparison for 1 Jan 2025. Everyone should take a look.
A 7 year FO at UA/DL/AA flying the 321neo makes $1/hr more than our 7 yr CA flying the same thing. Their 12 CA makes $100/hr more than our 12 yr CA. That's PER HOUR!
And when you mention average, that depends greatly on which airlines are included. JB is in negotiations (as is NK) - so, of course, their rates are less.
Honestly, AA/UA/DL and to some degree SW made this all easy. We all fly the same class aircraft (we actually fly more people) for roughly the same rate. In fact, negotiations about salary shouldn't even be negotiated. The rates we are willing to accept is the same rate everone else is currently being paid. Period. And, we need a snap up clause (which DL started and received when UA come in higher) just like everone else. This is industry standard at this point.
It should be a no from all of us w/o the EXACT same.
A 7 year FO at UA/DL/AA flying the 321neo makes $1/hr more than our 7 yr CA flying the same thing. Their 12 CA makes $100/hr more than our 12 yr CA. That's PER HOUR!
And when you mention average, that depends greatly on which airlines are included. JB is in negotiations (as is NK) - so, of course, their rates are less.
Honestly, AA/UA/DL and to some degree SW made this all easy. We all fly the same class aircraft (we actually fly more people) for roughly the same rate. In fact, negotiations about salary shouldn't even be negotiated. The rates we are willing to accept is the same rate everone else is currently being paid. Period. And, we need a snap up clause (which DL started and received when UA come in higher) just like everone else. This is industry standard at this point.
It should be a no from all of us w/o the EXACT same.
02-18-2025 | 09:24 AM
#1176
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The MEC has updated the contract comparison for 1 Jan 2025. Everyone should take a look.
A 7 year FO at UA/DL/AA flying the 321neo makes $1/hr more than our 7 yr CA flying the same thing. Their 12 CA makes $100/hr more than our 12 yr CA. That's PER HOUR!
And when you mention average, that depends greatly on which airlines are included. JB is in negotiations (as is NK) - so, of course, their rates are less.
Honestly, AA/UA/DL and to some degree SW made this all easy. They all fly the same class aircraft (we actually fly more people) for roughly the same rate. In fact, negotiations about salary shouldn't even be negotiated. The rates we are willing to accept is the same rate everone else is currently being paid. Period. There really is no need to start high, they start low and we work our way to the middle (and hope that is around the same rate). It really should be "Here's the industry standard rate. If you're not willing to pay every cent of it for each position for each year - and honor a 4% yearly increase and snap-ups whenever warranted, then we're out." And we head towards the impasse, get cooled off then strike. There REALLY shouldn't be any other method for the rates. NOT doing this gives other airlilne mgt ammo for saying the industry average is less.
And, yes the snap up clause is very important (which DL started and received when AA came in higher) just like everone else. This is industry standard at this point.
It should be a no from all of us w/o the EXACT same.
A 7 year FO at UA/DL/AA flying the 321neo makes $1/hr more than our 7 yr CA flying the same thing. Their 12 CA makes $100/hr more than our 12 yr CA. That's PER HOUR!
And when you mention average, that depends greatly on which airlines are included. JB is in negotiations (as is NK) - so, of course, their rates are less.
Honestly, AA/UA/DL and to some degree SW made this all easy. They all fly the same class aircraft (we actually fly more people) for roughly the same rate. In fact, negotiations about salary shouldn't even be negotiated. The rates we are willing to accept is the same rate everone else is currently being paid. Period. There really is no need to start high, they start low and we work our way to the middle (and hope that is around the same rate). It really should be "Here's the industry standard rate. If you're not willing to pay every cent of it for each position for each year - and honor a 4% yearly increase and snap-ups whenever warranted, then we're out." And we head towards the impasse, get cooled off then strike. There REALLY shouldn't be any other method for the rates. NOT doing this gives other airlilne mgt ammo for saying the industry average is less.
And, yes the snap up clause is very important (which DL started and received when AA came in higher) just like everone else. This is industry standard at this point.
It should be a no from all of us w/o the EXACT same.
02-18-2025 | 01:09 PM
#1177
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The MEC has updated the contract comparison for 1 Jan 2025. Everyone should take a look.
A 7 year FO at UA/DL/AA flying the 321neo makes $1/hr more than our 7 yr CA flying the same thing. Their 12 CA makes $100/hr more than our 12 yr CA. That's PER HOUR!
And when you mention average, that depends greatly on which airlines are included. JB is in negotiations (as is NK) - so, of course, their rates are less.
Honestly, AA/UA/DL and to some degree SW made this all easy. They all fly the same class aircraft (we actually fly more people) for roughly the same rate. In fact, negotiations about salary shouldn't even be negotiated. The rates we are willing to accept is the same rate everone else is currently being paid. Period. There really is no need to start high, they start low and we work our way to the middle (and hope that is around the same rate). It really should be "Here's the industry standard rate. If you're not willing to pay every cent of it for each position for each year - and honor a 4% yearly increase and snap-ups whenever warranted, then we're out." And we head towards the impasse, get cooled off then strike. There REALLY shouldn't be any other method for the rates. NOT doing this gives other airlilne mgt ammo for saying the industry average is less.
And, yes the snap up clause is very important (which DL started and received when AA came in higher) just like everone else. This is industry standard at this point.
It should be a no from all of us w/o the EXACT same.
A 7 year FO at UA/DL/AA flying the 321neo makes $1/hr more than our 7 yr CA flying the same thing. Their 12 CA makes $100/hr more than our 12 yr CA. That's PER HOUR!
And when you mention average, that depends greatly on which airlines are included. JB is in negotiations (as is NK) - so, of course, their rates are less.
Honestly, AA/UA/DL and to some degree SW made this all easy. They all fly the same class aircraft (we actually fly more people) for roughly the same rate. In fact, negotiations about salary shouldn't even be negotiated. The rates we are willing to accept is the same rate everone else is currently being paid. Period. There really is no need to start high, they start low and we work our way to the middle (and hope that is around the same rate). It really should be "Here's the industry standard rate. If you're not willing to pay every cent of it for each position for each year - and honor a 4% yearly increase and snap-ups whenever warranted, then we're out." And we head towards the impasse, get cooled off then strike. There REALLY shouldn't be any other method for the rates. NOT doing this gives other airlilne mgt ammo for saying the industry average is less.
And, yes the snap up clause is very important (which DL started and received when AA came in higher) just like everone else. This is industry standard at this point.
It should be a no from all of us w/o the EXACT same.
The same rates would STILL be a concession.
02-18-2025 | 01:36 PM
#1178
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From: Off reserve 🤫
02-18-2025 | 03:27 PM
#1179
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as soon as we ask, standby for a major temper tantrum and belly aching from Barry
02-18-2025 | 05:18 PM
#1180
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From: Rollin' Down tha 405
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