its 3D chess man, chill out. Showing the NMB you are super supportive in cost savings and efficiency is important for getting industry standard rates….

They ain’t going to roll over and give us a 50% pay raise over AQP and MCO training….

but showing the NMB we are the best and most supportive labor group possible and are getting hosed gets us released for self help…

 

That's good in theory, but not reality.

WHY did you guys not get release in 2018 when the company was wildly profitable??

 

I am not sure if this is sarcasm or not. We do need to chose a path and so far that path has been be incredibly accommodating. the farther down that path we go the harder it is to turn back. Remember the NMB is like a marriage counselor. Their customer is the Marriage or in this case the airline. If one side gives up most of the time and the other almost never gives up. What course do you think will get you out of work earlier? We need bargaining chips that don't rely on pity. We have enough and it's not taken us very far.

I don't see F9 putting up the numbers to make it worthwhile. They will throw some low ball numbers out Possibly some of which our union may entertain. I doubt it but maybe. To me this is like eating you foot because your starving, Now your not hungry, but it's much harder to get food in the future.
We are in Negotiations. They don't need to take 15 years. Pay your hand wrong and they will.

 

No need for a CBA when we are giving away our leverage through LOAs.

San Juan—gone.
Shortened training—gone.
AQP—next.

All in the name of “good faith,” while we remain the lowest paid Airbus pilots in the country.

 

There was zero leverage with San Juan. That was set for expedited arbitration had no agreement been reached. So loa or arbitration ruling. Either way it’s resolved by now. Carry on.

 

Yes there was leverage. Your propeganda is disingenuous. Or you just don't understand how expedited arbitration works.
Your union pals either refused or didn't understand how to negotiate. Effective union represention would have rendered similar outcome to what other airlines get.

 

I’ll buy that. Except the part of I don’t know how arbitrations work. I’ve Been a witness at several f9 arbitrations in the past. Anyhow what do others have that we should have been able to obtain? Again it wouldn’t provide current leverage in sec 6 as it would be resolved already. Key word in your first sentence “was”.

 

Going against AQP, a safety focused program, when ALPA is actively fighting to keep two pilots in the flight deck for safety is counterintuitive.

It's happening if we do an LOA or not. Better to participate, than be outside.

 

No favors, no waivers. If the company wants something, they can include it in the new contract.

 

need that on a bag tag and lanyard!