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03-09-2017 | 10:20 AM
#7191
Scary...Scary...
Joined: Aug 2006
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From: Rollin' Down tha 405
Strategic Simulation Solutions the building we used to share with SKW's E Jet training. Now it's where Indoc and sims are located. It's about an $8 uber ride from the GO area.
03-09-2017 | 10:31 AM
#7192
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The red lion used to be $250/wk but they're now $442/wk keep in mind this is cash. If you used your card it would be more. Nice front desk people but a shady operation.
Strategic Simulation Solutions the building we used to share with SKW's E Jet training. Now it's where Indoc and sims are located. It's about an $8 uber ride from the GO area.
Strategic Simulation Solutions the building we used to share with SKW's E Jet training. Now it's where Indoc and sims are located. It's about an $8 uber ride from the GO area.
03-09-2017 | 10:33 AM
#7193
On Reserve
Joined: Nov 2010
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There are crash pads in the DEN area that have private and semi-private rooms in the neighborhood of $500-800 per month. However, the ones I found would require you to have a car for training.
03-09-2017 | 10:53 AM
#7194
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Perhaps you can expand on this? I hear this attitude frequently from CA's on the line which worries me. Exactly WHY should we NOT get paid what Delta does? Usually, the answers I get are related to our ULCC business model. The model that upper management has chosen to make the highest profits they can is of absolutely no concern to me. If they could make more with First Class and all the perks, they'd do it.
The ULCC business model incorporates cost reductions where they can control it. Mostly, it is limited investment in infrastructure, and higher density seating at the cost of pax comfort. But they cannot control some basic airline business costs. They do not purchase main landing tires, for example, for a discount on account of being a ULCC. We don't get a discount on fuel because we're a ULCC. Pilots here need to adopt the mindset that they do not get discounted pilots either. We are as much a cost of doing business as fuel and tires.
We fly A321's with more pax than industry 757's. We need to be paid industry standard wages for the airframes we fly. I think we work harder than Delta Pilots. Our lack of investment in infrastructure and ground handling means we have to be ultra alert, and are regularly catching mistakes that could lead to FAA violations. The regularity of passenger disturbances puts plenty at risk as well, and we're generally not getting paid when these events occur.
How management makes the money behind our paychecks is their job, and they're doing that fairly well when you consider our astronomically high profit margins. I personally have no intentions of giving Franke a discount on my labor for any reason.
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The ULCC business model incorporates cost reductions where they can control it. Mostly, it is limited investment in infrastructure, and higher density seating at the cost of pax comfort. But they cannot control some basic airline business costs. They do not purchase main landing tires, for example, for a discount on account of being a ULCC. We don't get a discount on fuel because we're a ULCC. Pilots here need to adopt the mindset that they do not get discounted pilots either. We are as much a cost of doing business as fuel and tires.
We fly A321's with more pax than industry 757's. We need to be paid industry standard wages for the airframes we fly. I think we work harder than Delta Pilots. Our lack of investment in infrastructure and ground handling means we have to be ultra alert, and are regularly catching mistakes that could lead to FAA violations. The regularity of passenger disturbances puts plenty at risk as well, and we're generally not getting paid when these events occur.
How management makes the money behind our paychecks is their job, and they're doing that fairly well when you consider our astronomically high profit margins. I personally have no intentions of giving Franke a discount on my labor for any reason.
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I agree with you completely and I fail to see why we aren't worth as much as Legacy pilots.
Hopefully more and more of our pilot group will agree with us. I'm not even upset about the negotiations thus far, it's all part of the process. But I'll be darned if I'm okay with negotiations dragging out for a couple of years, only to accept a sub-par contract.
03-09-2017 | 11:43 AM
#7195
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+100!!!
I agree with you completely and I fail to see why we aren't worth as much as Legacy pilots.
Hopefully more and more of our pilot group will agree with us. I'm not even upset about the negotiations thus far, it's all part of the process. But I'll be darned if I'm okay with negotiations dragging out for a couple of years, only to accept a sub-par contract.
I agree with you completely and I fail to see why we aren't worth as much as Legacy pilots.
Hopefully more and more of our pilot group will agree with us. I'm not even upset about the negotiations thus far, it's all part of the process. But I'll be darned if I'm okay with negotiations dragging out for a couple of years, only to accept a sub-par contract.
Any pilot here who doesn't think they've had the company violate the contract has their head in the sand.
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03-09-2017 | 02:29 PM
#7196
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03-09-2017 | 03:44 PM
#7197
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From: doggy style
Also, for those talking about the "old attitude at Frontier"... If it weren't for us more senior pilots at Frontier taking pay cuts and doing everything we did to save the company, we wouldn't even be having this conversation now because the airline would not exist. So next time you fly with a more senior pilot, thank them for sacrificing their QOL and taking pay cuts so that the airline survived long enough to hire you.
Oh, and it is the junior pilots that are affected most. Our first year pilots make less than a regional airline first year FO. Funny, because I only ever hear this tripe from folks on the top 100 of the list. You know, the guys who had a 6 month upgrade here.
03-09-2017 | 03:46 PM
#7198
Stirring the pot
Joined: Oct 2016
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[QUOTE=A319;2317281]I am in no way advocating for a discount pay. I think our pay should be in line with what our peers are paid. Delta is not our peer. Spirit, Allegiant and jetBlue are our peers.
huh....
I strongly disagree...
My peer is anyone who is RESPONSIBLE for 186 - 230 plus crew in the aluminum tube flying red eyes transcon....
767. 787.......
huh....
I strongly disagree...
My peer is anyone who is RESPONSIBLE for 186 - 230 plus crew in the aluminum tube flying red eyes transcon....
767. 787.......
03-09-2017 | 04:46 PM
#7200
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Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 495
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From: A320 CA
I too am interested in hearing why pilots at Spirit, Jet Blue, and Allegiant are my peers, but Delta, American, Southwest, and United are not.
Seriously. This isn't a rhetorical question. I understand that the business models are different, but I fail to see how the job "Pilot" differs among the various carriers.
I consider myself to be a reasonable, thinking person. Please convince me that pilots at LCCs should be paid less using something other than a variation on the theme of "that's the way it's always been."
Seriously. This isn't a rhetorical question. I understand that the business models are different, but I fail to see how the job "Pilot" differs among the various carriers.
I consider myself to be a reasonable, thinking person. Please convince me that pilots at LCCs should be paid less using something other than a variation on the theme of "that's the way it's always been."
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