Bullsh*t. You're "fighting" for your personal lost revenue during downgrade and your personal financial situation that you didn't prepare for.

Your greed is no different than that which you've been railing on (and on, and on) about here.

Give it a rest. No one's buying it.

 

If I’m downgraded I will still take a cut if it could help the 500+ men and women below me. I’ll bid reserve long call and go deliver Uber eats if I have to to supplement the income. I’m willing to make sacrifices to help those younger then me survive this. You aren’t.
Meanwhile some of you guys will be picking up open time with people on furlough, if you want to talk about scummy behavior. heck we have guys picking up open time right now.

 

Yep, not understanding the history of this business is a real problem. Particularly among the young Riddle-type guys and older career changers. I can only assume the riddle-type guys simply bought into the “it’s a great time to be a pilot, you’ll be at a major in two years” sales pitch and never thought that the past (if they knew anything about the business previously) would repeat its self. The older guys, on the other hand, may not have had any idea of what they were getting into. They had been busy in other careers and, until recently, were just enjoying being airline pilots.

I can only echo, again, what most of the pilots on here have been saying - Learn about the history of your profession, what’s going on now is nothing new, only the circumstances are different. This has always been a volatile industry and will continue to be so. Just my opinion, but this will get worse before it gets better. I’m looking at a downgrade, I would love to be wrong about it getting worse.

 

That’s the great thing about contract negotiations. You don’t like em? Find 1300 pilots willing to do it. Every person thinking that this company as it stands can survive screwing over every employee by permanently cutting their pay needs to reevaluate their ideas. No, the MOU will not permanently change a pilots guarantee. In the event of furlough recalls pilots will have nothing but a better regional to come back to. JO knows he can’t keep cutting hours and pay and expect people to be lining up the door to work here. He knows he needs to make Mesa competitive with other airlines. Contrary to all the toxic negativity that comes from pent up aggression from working at a place that makes you miserable (if you don’t like it why stay?) our company and our CEO cannot survive if they screw over their employees. And all this “some of us actually worked at the airlines prior to 2016” crap coming from some of you people? Who do you think you’re even talking to? I could be Brad, or a United recruiter? You toxic attitude pilots are not better than everyone else just because “I’ve been through a furlough before”. Get over yourselves and consider other people

 

There’s no point stopping to their level. Angry pilots will always be angry. They’re stuck in life for one reason only. Themselves. They just can’t accept that and want to blame it on something else. Trump, millennials “whining”, Mesa furloughs, contract negotiations. Whatever it is. They only have themselves to blame but they want to see others suffer as they have. It helps them sleep at night

 

Because if Mesa files for bankruptcy while the MOU is active, then a bankruptcy judge can say, "okay, the floor is 0 hours and the ceiling is your MOU. Start re-negotiating before I do it for you."

This is how airline bankruptcies have played out in the past. Don't expect signs of a bankruptcy filing before a filing happens... just like you don't expect a heads up about furloughs before news about furloughs breaks.

 

I agree with you “only the circumstances are difficult” statement. These circumstances are very much media driven. News about how scary and deadly Covid is. It’s not. Call me a denier but only 9% of Covid fatalities didn’t have other fatal conditions along with it. The country was shut down due to people dying. Yes it’s sad. But the country will recover with time as more information surfaces about the actual facts emerge. Mostly after the election. It’s gonna be either “suck it our planned worked” or “suck it up for another 4 years” and the US will return to its normal bickering about other stuff. This circumstance is temporary. The MOU is temporary. Give Mesa and it’s employees the time for this circumstance to go away before things return to normal. Or just wait 2 hours for the town hall and we can all have more information about the situation

 

There are a lot of “ifs” and “cans” in your statement. It’s not a strong enough argument against giving people more time. What if we go to war tomorrow? What if you get drafted? You can speculate all you want but that doesn’t change facts right on front of you that people ignore because of their “feelings” about what “might” happen.

 

Wow so the first thread of this thread was actually correct. The warn notes should have been posted the next day.

 

Exactly. If you’re willing to work for $74/hour at 60 hours and then if this goes into bankruptcy you might end up with a new rate of $58/hr for 76 hours when the judge is done with it.