Originally Posted by frmrbuffdrvr
(Post 2650102)
The programs wasn't announce "years ago." It was announced the beginning of this year. And the first people into the mentoring phase, which is a year long, will finish that portion in January. So no one has gone to UPS via the program. Basically because the program hasn't existed long enough. But three people will go there in January. And a couple more three months after that. And so on.
Huge difference. |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2650128)
People are GOING there in January? Or people are INTERVIEWING there in January?
Huge difference. |
Originally Posted by Jetlife
(Post 2650126)
The first UPS program was announced June of last year. And they aren’t “going there,” they will get an interview.
The program for AMF pilots was announced officially last November. |
Originally Posted by frmrbuffdrvr
(Post 2650175)
They are interviewing. However, they are spending time this year with a UPS mentor and doing things that UPS asks of them. So it's not like a walk in off the street, even with an internal rec. From what UPS has told us, if they get to that point it is pretty much theirs to lose.
It’s a long process just for an interview. |
Originally Posted by frmrbuffdrvr
(Post 2650175)
They are interviewing. However, they are spending time this year with a UPS mentor and doing things that UPS asks of them. So it's not like a walk in off the street, even with an internal rec. From what UPS has told us, if they get to that point it is pretty much theirs to lose.
We'll just wait until next year to see the results. Somehow I think these pilots will be very much disliked at UPS if they really get hired. An average new hire at UPS seems to have a lot of heavy international time. Something that's much more relevant to their operation than Amflight cargo hopping. |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2650187)
So far these preferred interview programs have had less than stellar success, even with internal recs, "mentoring" and so on.
We'll just wait until next year to see the results. Somehow I think these pilots will be very much disliked at UPS if they really get hired. An average new hire at UPS seems to have a lot of heavy international time. Something that's much more relevant to their operation than Amflight cargo hopping. And yes...the pilots moving up succeeded...I have seen them on the ramps. If you say making others jealous is a reason for not moving up....think there other issues. The current UPS program at Ameriflight has several stages to help fill in the perceived weakness of hiring a feeder pilot. It seems to be a VERY well thought out program where UPS invests lots of time into candidates.... |
Originally Posted by ZippyNH
(Post 2650224)
UPS has ALWAYS hired a few feeder pilots...going back to the late 98's to early 03 or so when I was flying for a different (much smaller, but now gone) feeder operator, and they usually had 1-2 SA-227 pilots per year go directly to UPS from that company, no program (I was a floater, and would cover for their interviews, then when they left for class, I often knew more than management about WHY the sick days occurred)....there was always talk of a similar program like Ameriflight, and even negotiations, but it never happened.
And yes...the pilots moving up succeeded...I have seen them on the ramps. If you say making others jealous is a reason for not moving up....think there other issues. The current UPS program at Ameriflight has several stages to help fill in the perceived weakness of hiring a feeder pilot. It seems to be a VERY well thought out program where UPS invests lots of time into candidates.... The running saying is that AMF isn’t there to teach you to fly instruments right? Well UPS isnt there to teach you to fly jets. It can find an endless supply of guys with international, heavy jet time. It’s nothing against AMF specifically, but why would UPS take lower time turboprop pilots when the average applicant is still so highly qualified? The answer is they wouldn’t. Time will tell to see how many of those that choose the UPS gateway and stick it out, and actually get hired. |
Originally Posted by ZippyNH
(Post 2650224)
UPS has ALWAYS hired a few feeder pilots...going back to the late 98's to early 03 or so when I was flying for a different (much smaller, but now gone) feeder operator, and they usually had 1-2 SA-227 pilots per year go directly to UPS from that company, no program (I was a floater, and would cover for their interviews, then when they left for class, I often knew more than management about WHY the sick days occurred)....there was always talk of a similar program like Ameriflight, and even negotiations, but it never happened.
And yes...the pilots moving up succeeded...I have seen them on the ramps. If you say making others jealous is a reason for not moving up....think there other issues. The current UPS program at Ameriflight has several stages to help fill in the perceived weakness of hiring a feeder pilot. It seems to be a VERY well thought out program where UPS invests lots of time into candidates.... |
K so the realistic path for someone going to AMF would be: CFI/some other op until 500-800 hrs, then AMF, then a regional after being with AMF for a few years?
I'm confused as to why someone would go to AMF then instead of doing CFI/whatever until they get their ATP mins and then just going to a regional, whats the advantage? |
Originally Posted by Luewk
(Post 2650800)
K so the realistic path for someone going to AMF would be: CFI/some other op until 500-800 hrs, then AMF, then a regional after being with AMF for a few years?
I'm confused as to why someone would go to AMF then instead of doing CFI/whatever until they get their ATP mins and then just going to a regional, whats the advantage? |
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