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Old 02-01-2024 | 08:30 AM
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It’s not a function of the wing, it’s a byproduct of the pax O2 supply and how fast you can get down to breathable air. The Bus just doesn’t come down fast enough.
This may be the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen. You’re trying to tell me that a descent rate down to 10k from 40k is a limiting factor? What do those things last, 15 minutes? Not a memory item so I really don’t care. Regardless, you put that thing down at 320Kias in an idle descent and boards out it’ll be a, at most, 20 second difference between 41k and 39k.
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Old 02-01-2024 | 09:20 AM
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This may be the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen. You’re trying to tell me that a descent rate down to 10k from 40k is a limiting factor? What do those things last, 15 minutes? Not a memory item so I really don’t care. Regardless, you put that thing down at 320Kias in an idle descent and boards out it’ll be a, at most, 20 second difference between 41k and 39k.
Actually, I beleive its due to the pressurization capability of the A-320. According to US 14 CFR 25.841: "Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, pressurized cabins and compartments to be occupied must be equipped to provide a cabin pressure altitude of not more than 8,000 feet under normal operating conditions." At 39000 feet, the cabin is at 8000 feet with the differential near the max allowable.
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Old 02-01-2024 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JackReacher
Actually, I beleive its due to the pressurization capability of the A-320. According to US 14 CFR 25.841: "Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, pressurized cabins and compartments to be occupied must be equipped to provide a cabin pressure altitude of not more than 8,000 feet under normal operating conditions." At 39000 feet, the cabin is at 8000 feet with the differential near the max allowable.
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Old 02-01-2024 | 07:27 PM
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Forget firstborn named after 757, I would rename my already-born...
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Old 02-01-2024 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TFAYD
Airbus has a backlog of 5+ years for their 320 family. Even if Spirit went belly up they would auction off those delivery slots to the highest bidder. Airbus has very little motivation to cut UAL a deal for 321 unless there is a WB order attached to it
Do we know who "owns" an order, and are they all the same? Some posit that a customer can sell the order, which implies they own it, like an option on real estate. It could also be that it's like a deposit, and you can pass and forfeit but have no possessory interest. Or it could be both and/or something else too (like contingent orders that are a n agreement to agree in the future, pad the order book but not enforceable against the buyer), depending on what the buyer negotiates. Tough to make certain pronouncements without knowing these facts.
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Old 02-01-2024 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck D
except the cockpit is glorious in comparison lol.

For every person here bashing the dated 320 and 330 NEO underpinnings there are 2 people ready to name their firstborn Boeing if that company resurrects the 757 in all its original splendor.

Mind you I'd fly it. Would be glorious like a 63 Vette.
767 reminds me of a 50s Coupe deVille, glorious ride, one finger steering, powerful and plush.
757 I would liken to one of the mid-60s big-block muscle cars, overpowered for the suspension and tires (not true in aviation context as it brakes great) but glorious!
The Vette would only let us bring one friend, a 753 lets us bring I dig what you're saying.
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Old 02-01-2024 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NotTHATJoker
767 reminds me of a 50s Coupe deVille, glorious ride, one finger steering, powerful and plush.
757 I would liken to one of the mid-60s big-block muscle cars, overpowered for the suspension and tires (not true in aviation context as it brakes great) but glorious!
The Vette would only let us bring one friend, a 753 lets us bring I dig what you're saying.
Apt description. If the 757 can’t get in and out of a runway… then you can’t do it! Short field performance like a C-130. Always enjoyed flying it more than the 67.

Originally Posted by kevin18
This may be the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen. You’re trying to tell me that a descent rate down to 10k from 40k is a limiting factor? What do those things last, 15 minutes? Not a memory item so I really don’t care. Regardless, you put that thing down at 320Kias in an idle descent and boards out it’ll be a, at most, 20 second difference between 41k and 39k.
If I can remember the name of the 320 FTM that told us that, I’ll let him know someone on the internet said he’s dumb. Either way I never cared, I get paid the same no matter the altitude.
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Old 02-02-2024 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
Airbus would do it because the media of them slam dunking in Boeings face would be worth it. They’ve been trying to crack into UAL with a sizable order for some time, the 321 orders were just due to a lack of other options and it’s the closest 757 replacement there is. However if they can shove another huge order in Boeings face because of their own dereliction and highlight just what a failure the Max program is that would be worth far more than the cost of buying back or rearranging delivery slots.



It’s not a function of the wing, it’s a byproduct of the pax O2 supply and how fast you can get down to breathable air. The Bus just doesn’t come down fast enough.
That may be a small part of it. Read some material on design of 320. Wing is inefficient and was designed 20 years before the NG. The wing is main reason for 39k.
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Old 02-05-2024 | 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Spesiellsporing
Wasn’t the crew rest issue on the 350 a main driver for not taking delivery?
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Originally Posted by KnightNight
Delta has a waiver for it. I believe it’s only a cut in a mattress that reduces the restable space
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The mattress is tapered at the feet end and therefore doesn’t comply with the reg. Reg says it’s supposed to be rectangular. Delta does have a waiver for it to qualify it as a class 1 rest facility.
Unlike DALALPA and their PWA, there is also that section of the UPA which says UAL ALPA has to agree to it. As far as I'm aware, going all the way back to 2014-2015 time frame, we have not based on information from the Crew Rest Oversight Committee (CROC). I certainly hope we wouldn't be advocating waiving a section of our UPA...without something big in return for the pilots.
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Old 02-05-2024 | 04:25 AM
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-iss...eries-of-737s/
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