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01-31-2024 | 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NotTHATJoker

How will weakness in ULCC market impact their order book? Are their non-US market sales enough to make stealing Boeing's biggest customer irrelevant to them? Haven't done the research, just asking.

It wouldn't be crazy to think Airbus is definitely motivated to keep their foot as far into the door at United as they can. While United's 321 deliveries seem small compared the 737 deliveries, the A321 deliveries alone are larger than most other airlines in the world.

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Airbus has a backlog of 5+ years for their 320 family. Even if Spirit went belly up they would auction off those delivery slots to the highest bidder. Airbus has very little motivation to cut UAL a deal for 321 unless there is a WB order attached to it

You're assuming Spirit's slots are assignable by Spirit. They might not be.

01-31-2024 | 03:57 PM

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true but the overarching point is that Airbus can easily fill these slots with other demand. They don’t need to come to UAL hat in hand hoping to place them. They will certainly not be offered at “buy one get two free” fire sale like the MAX was.

I am sure Airbus is really motivated to get a foot in the door with some WB. Keeping a foot in the door with 320 is not really that exciting unless they get a price premium which I am sure SK doesn’t want to pay.

01-31-2024 | 04:41 PM

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except the cockpit is glorious in comparison lol.

For every person here bashing the dated 320 and 330 NEO underpinnings there are 2 people ready to name their firstborn Boeing if that company resurrects the 757 in all its original splendor.

Mind you I'd fly it. Would be glorious like a 63 Vette.

Only the overhead. The lower displays on the max make the NEO look. Very dated.

01-31-2024 | 04:56 PM

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Only the overhead. The lower displays on the max make the NEO look. Very dated.

The 737 has the Apollo 13 overhead panel in all its luster

01-31-2024 | 05:05 PM

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Only the overhead. The lower displays on the max make the NEO look. Very dated.

you mean the analogue flap position replication in the MAX - lol

01-31-2024 | 05:38 PM

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you mean the analogue flap position replication in the MAX - lol

Ok that's actually a highlight for me. Like the widths of the little white sections at each specific flap settting are even inconsistent but matching the original. I'm sure there's a 50 years ago reason for it like the electrical section curved cutouts for bussing gens manually but wow, it's pretty wild.

01-31-2024 | 05:44 PM

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Only the overhead. The lower displays on the max make the NEO look. Very dated.

OK, that's just plain funny.
I'm guessing you call the 6 pack an EICAS? Modern stuff there.

01-31-2024 | 05:54 PM

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Only the overhead. The lower displays on the max make the NEO look. Very dated.

01-31-2024 | 07:22 PM

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The white sections are varied because it correlates to maximum allowable split at each flap setting. If one needle is in the white band and the other isn't, you'll get trailing edge flap asymmetry. 756 has the same thing.

02-01-2024 | 08:13 AM

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I do.

and why would Airbus bend over backwards and “buy back” some 321 delivery slots if it isn’t for something bigger? They don’t need to sell more 321 to UAL. They are doing just fine without our business.

so what would be in it for Airbus if not placing WB with UAL?

Airbus would do it because the media of them slam dunking in Boeings face would be worth it. They’ve been trying to crack into UAL with a sizable order for some time, the 321 orders were just due to a lack of other options and it’s the closest 757 replacement there is. However if they can shove another huge order in Boeings face because of their own dereliction and highlight just what a failure the Max program is that would be worth far more than the cost of buying back or rearranging delivery slots.

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Except the 320 neo is still an old airframe with new motors. The wing is actually older then the ng wing. Part of the problem why ceiling is only 39000.

It’s not a function of the wing, it’s a byproduct of the pax O2 supply and how fast you can get down to breathable air. The Bus just doesn’t come down fast enough.