UPS regret
07-21-2009 | 01:29 PM
#51
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From what I saw of the bid packages the regular lines values increased, there where very few lines built below 75 hours. It used to be that we had numerous lines worth 68 hours that paid 75 , now it looks to me like you will get a 65 hour line and get paid 65 hours when you used to get paid 75. Those of us who are on regular lines will get 78 to 80 hours whether we want them or not.
07-21-2009 | 01:36 PM
#52
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From what I saw of the bid packages the regular lines values increased, there where very few lines built below 75 hours. It used to be that we had numerous lines worth 68 hours that paid 75 , now it looks to me like you will get a 65 hour line and get paid 65 hours when you used to get paid 75. Those of us who are on regular lines will get 78 to 80 hours whether we want them or not.
07-21-2009 | 01:45 PM
#53
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So with a RDG line I am afraid that I might not be able to survive the next two months, but you can't beat the time off! Been off for two months and now have another 40 days off! Its all relative! We will wait and see what happens in April, let's cross that bridge when it comes, until then party on!
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07-21-2009 | 01:59 PM
#54
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This furlough threat sucked but I just look at it as business....not personal. Honestly I was more dissappointed in the 1000 that didn't contribute than I was mad at the company.
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07-21-2009 | 02:05 PM
#55
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UPSMISTAKE,
I hear what you say about family time, but you rolled the dice and it feels like you lost. You didn't.
You picked UPS over SWA because of the long-term pay scale, international experience and heavy equipment.
Now you're complaining about a lot of things coming your way (some of them legit, some not) but you gotta remember that UPS' predicaments are not even close to be as bad as other carriers.
You and me can change jobs if you want. I'm Challenger captain in the northwest. I get my Hawaii and Europe fix once a month or so. Plenty of family time, underpaid by roughly 20K, on-call 24/7, medical insurance is a joke, no 401K.
I forgot to tell you, I'll be unemployed by the end of the month, due to the lack of charters and aircraft owner bankruptcy.
Plenty of family time in the near future.
Look, we all make decisions at a certain time based on what's best for our families and our wallets. No one can look into the future (as far as I'm aware).
I would love to be a brownie, believe me I've tried for a long time.
You know that UPS will bounce out of this mess sooner than any other carrier.
Suck it up and put your energy on what your next move is going to be and don't waste your time thinking what you could/should have done.
Good luck,
Y.
I hear what you say about family time, but you rolled the dice and it feels like you lost. You didn't.
You picked UPS over SWA because of the long-term pay scale, international experience and heavy equipment.
Now you're complaining about a lot of things coming your way (some of them legit, some not) but you gotta remember that UPS' predicaments are not even close to be as bad as other carriers.
You and me can change jobs if you want. I'm Challenger captain in the northwest. I get my Hawaii and Europe fix once a month or so. Plenty of family time, underpaid by roughly 20K, on-call 24/7, medical insurance is a joke, no 401K.
I forgot to tell you, I'll be unemployed by the end of the month, due to the lack of charters and aircraft owner bankruptcy.
Plenty of family time in the near future.
Look, we all make decisions at a certain time based on what's best for our families and our wallets. No one can look into the future (as far as I'm aware).
I would love to be a brownie, believe me I've tried for a long time.
You know that UPS will bounce out of this mess sooner than any other carrier.
Suck it up and put your energy on what your next move is going to be and don't waste your time thinking what you could/should have done.
Good luck,
Y.
07-21-2009 | 02:12 PM
#56
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Came here for stability and pay and neither are here. Now my other options are gone which I could have had. By the way ANC sucks.
07-21-2009 | 03:19 PM
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Sadly there a lot of jr ANC pilots at UPS that may have regret for coming here many just keep quiet about it. The difference is whether or not there was another opportunity besides UPS when we were hired. If I had a SWA job I would have gone, but that is me and of course I did not. Now the pain and possible regret is starting to spread into the 3-4 year seniority ranks in the lower 48.
You probably knew coming on here you were going to get blasted by the "Wanna be UPSers", The "Senior UPSers" and a few of the "JR UPSers" so I give you credit for airing your true feelings.
We all came to UPS from 2005-2007 for 2 reasons and if anyone says different they are full of crap. Those 2 things were PAY and JOB SECURITY. The people at UPS are awesome and some of the places we go are great, but let's be real flying in and out of the sort for 2- 4 legs on the back side of the clock blows. Luckily for me I will never do that because I will always be in Anchorage and that is just a fact if I want a good life at UPS in the next 15-20 years.
Many came here including myself saying I never have to be a captain again I will be set as an FO. Little did we know that 8-10 year upgrade in ANC was going to go up to 12-15 years as an ANC Captain or never depending on age and QOL preference.
So now the jr guys have been threatened to be furloughed so we threw in sick time, 1/2 work, 1/2 pay thinking no furlough. Surprise it bought us 6 months job security. Most likely we will be furloughed once the training from the DC-8 to cover peak is done and or the F-ing MANGLERS get integrated into our seniority list. (A whole other thread)
So if you remove the PAY and JOB SECURITY from the equation I bet a lot of UPSers hired from 2005-2007 have some regret especially if they had other opportunities.
As a fellow IPAer I wake up from this 2 year drunken stooper with a serious hangover, 3 new type ratings, Gold elite Marriott status, and some regrets. Unfortunately timing and luck is everything in this business. Right now there are no really good flying jobs in the market.
I wish you the best of luck!
You probably knew coming on here you were going to get blasted by the "Wanna be UPSers", The "Senior UPSers" and a few of the "JR UPSers" so I give you credit for airing your true feelings.
We all came to UPS from 2005-2007 for 2 reasons and if anyone says different they are full of crap. Those 2 things were PAY and JOB SECURITY. The people at UPS are awesome and some of the places we go are great, but let's be real flying in and out of the sort for 2- 4 legs on the back side of the clock blows. Luckily for me I will never do that because I will always be in Anchorage and that is just a fact if I want a good life at UPS in the next 15-20 years.
Many came here including myself saying I never have to be a captain again I will be set as an FO. Little did we know that 8-10 year upgrade in ANC was going to go up to 12-15 years as an ANC Captain or never depending on age and QOL preference.
So now the jr guys have been threatened to be furloughed so we threw in sick time, 1/2 work, 1/2 pay thinking no furlough. Surprise it bought us 6 months job security. Most likely we will be furloughed once the training from the DC-8 to cover peak is done and or the F-ing MANGLERS get integrated into our seniority list. (A whole other thread)
So if you remove the PAY and JOB SECURITY from the equation I bet a lot of UPSers hired from 2005-2007 have some regret especially if they had other opportunities.
As a fellow IPAer I wake up from this 2 year drunken stooper with a serious hangover, 3 new type ratings, Gold elite Marriott status, and some regrets. Unfortunately timing and luck is everything in this business. Right now there are no really good flying jobs in the market.
I wish you the best of luck!
07-21-2009 | 03:33 PM
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As a bottom 300 hire here at UPS, I will not vote for integration of the managers. We will be the ones to really take it in the ass, ie. furlough! It will be years before the bottom 300 feel any type of job security here. UPS is not interested in growing the route structure, at least not IPA flying, they will use whatever excuses they can to farm it out. Few retirements for years to come. Most of the managers here I have met I would even want to hang out with if they were IPA, the ones who disgust me the most are those who were IPA then converted to management. Seems like Miller will try to use this to his personal advantage and be a hero by getting these guys into the IPA.
People who say "bringing the 300 in will cause UPS to hire MORE pilots" are dreaming. The only way I would even consider voting 'yes' is if they stapled them to the bottom of the list (with former IPAers at the bottom of that list).
For those 300-600 from the bottom: get ready to take a step back to where you were 5 years ago if this passes.
07-21-2009 | 03:37 PM
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As a bottom 300 hire here at UPS, I will not vote for integration of the managers. We will be the ones to really take it in the ass, ie. furlough! It will be years before the bottom 300 feel any type of job security here. UPS is not interested in growing the route structure, at least not IPA flying, they will use whatever excuses they can to farm it out. Few retirements for years to come. Most of the managers here I have met I would even want to hang out with if they were IPA, the ones who disgust me the most are those who were IPA then converted to management. Seems like Miller will try to use this to his personal advantage and be a hero by getting these guys into the IPA.
07-21-2009 | 03:46 PM
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[quote=Precontact;648595] Like it or not, they're all senior to you. quote]
Only because UPS says so. The former IPA guys gave up their seniority number when they went to management. What would happen if I quit in disgust today, go work for someone else for a few years, then changed my mind and somehow managed to get myself hired back (yeah far-fetched that UPS would rehire, but indulge me for the sake of argument)? Would UPS/IPA give me my original date of hire or the new one? I would guess those former IPAers will be the sticking point to making this pass. And I really don't see many of them taking downgrades, even for the work rules.
Only because UPS says so. The former IPA guys gave up their seniority number when they went to management. What would happen if I quit in disgust today, go work for someone else for a few years, then changed my mind and somehow managed to get myself hired back (yeah far-fetched that UPS would rehire, but indulge me for the sake of argument)? Would UPS/IPA give me my original date of hire or the new one? I would guess those former IPAers will be the sticking point to making this pass. And I really don't see many of them taking downgrades, even for the work rules.
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