Reserve for Dummies
#1501
I’ve been re-reading this entire thread (I know, glutton for punishment) looking for info on GS/IA pay while on reserve. None of the scenarios quite fit and I can’t find clear info in the SRH, Sched Alerts or PWA.
My question is regarding pay.
Scenario: X-day/X-day/RES block of days.
I accepted a 3-day IA that covered two X-days and was scheduled to finish on first RES day. (International: day-1 over to EU, day-3 fly home.)
If this were a GS, I understand that day 1 would be single-pay above guarantee and day 3 would be applied to my RES guarantee. I understand the PB/PR for early RES day release –vs- late RES day release and they were all applied correctly.
My first question: does an IA pay differently than a GS for RES? In other words does day 3 of an IA go towards my RES guarantee or pay above guarantee, or both?
Interestingly, I was rerouted on day-3 (rookie mistake answering my phone. I know…idiot thing to do) into flying a different flight back from EU and then DHing home (same duty period) so on my IA I now have a reroute. This brings me to my next question(s): does RRPY pay above guarantee? Should I see “REROUTE PAY” (down by G/SLIP PAY on the time card) in addition to the RRPY up in the trip details block?
I'm trying to figure out if it's all correct.
On my time card for the rotation number it has Block hours matching what I actually flew, Scheduled time and Pay time matching the full rotation including DH, and Credit matching ONLY what I did on the last day. Under the rotation details I have RRPY equal to 50% of rerouted legs Sked and Pay.
What actually gets paid above guarantee?
My question is regarding pay.
Scenario: X-day/X-day/RES block of days.
I accepted a 3-day IA that covered two X-days and was scheduled to finish on first RES day. (International: day-1 over to EU, day-3 fly home.)
If this were a GS, I understand that day 1 would be single-pay above guarantee and day 3 would be applied to my RES guarantee. I understand the PB/PR for early RES day release –vs- late RES day release and they were all applied correctly.
My first question: does an IA pay differently than a GS for RES? In other words does day 3 of an IA go towards my RES guarantee or pay above guarantee, or both?
Interestingly, I was rerouted on day-3 (rookie mistake answering my phone. I know…idiot thing to do) into flying a different flight back from EU and then DHing home (same duty period) so on my IA I now have a reroute. This brings me to my next question(s): does RRPY pay above guarantee? Should I see “REROUTE PAY” (down by G/SLIP PAY on the time card) in addition to the RRPY up in the trip details block?
I'm trying to figure out if it's all correct.
On my time card for the rotation number it has Block hours matching what I actually flew, Scheduled time and Pay time matching the full rotation including DH, and Credit matching ONLY what I did on the last day. Under the rotation details I have RRPY equal to 50% of rerouted legs Sked and Pay.
What actually gets paid above guarantee?
#1502
Fangs, thanks for taking the time to craft a great response. I should have more specific with my question and relied less on the title. So, I’m definitely looking to NOT work. I’d love to spend more time with family while still earning a decent paycheck as well as reducing the pain of commuting. I’ve been awarded the NYC330, and I’ll convert in the next few months.
I really bid the 330 with the general knowledge that WB reserve will result in less utilization than NB, but I somewhat belatedly thought I might try to get a better idea of how many days I might work if I was on reserve. I am 80ish percent and can hold a line, which I’ll be happy to do if the reserve gig doesn’t bear as much fruit as think. What was your experience when you were a WB FO on reserve?
Thanks again for your time.
I really bid the 330 with the general knowledge that WB reserve will result in less utilization than NB, but I somewhat belatedly thought I might try to get a better idea of how many days I might work if I was on reserve. I am 80ish percent and can hold a line, which I’ll be happy to do if the reserve gig doesn’t bear as much fruit as think. What was your experience when you were a WB FO on reserve?
Thanks again for your time.
I averaged 9-10 days of work as a WB B, but that was somewhat wild in swings. Some months were 14 days, some were 4. I probably averaged 3 days of SC, which as a commuter meant I had to be in NY, so I count that as days of work. Generally, I found that I'd get SC on day 1 of a 4 day block, and then maybe a 3 day trip, maybe another SC. The trips were fantastic. 1-leg days, dozing for dollars, no bad layovers. Overall, commuting to WB reserve really wasn't that bad, and that was on a 12-hour leash. It was a great gig, and I'd probably still be there if not for Covid and a promise I made my wife about commuting.
I think you'll love it, and not regret it one bit. The only potential downside is the circadian swaps, which I didn't struggle with, but some do. Best of luck, enjoy Europe!
#1503
I’ve been re-reading this entire thread (I know, glutton for punishment) looking for info on GS/IA pay while on reserve. None of the scenarios quite fit and I can’t find clear info in the SRH, Sched Alerts or PWA.
My question is regarding pay.
Scenario: X-day/X-day/RES block of days.
I accepted a 3-day IA that covered two X-days and was scheduled to finish on first RES day. (International: day-1 over to EU, day-3 fly home.)
If this were a GS, I understand that day 1 would be single-pay above guarantee and day 3 would be applied to my RES guarantee. I understand the PB/PR for early RES day release –vs- late RES day release and they were all applied correctly.
My first question: does an IA pay differently than a GS for RES? In other words does day 3 of an IA go towards my RES guarantee or pay above guarantee, or both?
Interestingly, I was rerouted on day-3 (rookie mistake answering my phone. I know…idiot thing to do) into flying a different flight back from EU and then DHing home (same duty period) so on my IA I now have a reroute. This brings me to my next question(s): does RRPY pay above guarantee? Should I see “REROUTE PAY” (down by G/SLIP PAY on the time card) in addition to the RRPY up in the trip details block?
I'm trying to figure out if it's all correct.
On my time card for the rotation number it has Block hours matching what I actually flew, Scheduled time and Pay time matching the full rotation including DH, and Credit matching ONLY what I did on the last day. Under the rotation details I have RRPY equal to 50% of rerouted legs Sked and Pay.
What actually gets paid above guarantee?
My question is regarding pay.
Scenario: X-day/X-day/RES block of days.
I accepted a 3-day IA that covered two X-days and was scheduled to finish on first RES day. (International: day-1 over to EU, day-3 fly home.)
If this were a GS, I understand that day 1 would be single-pay above guarantee and day 3 would be applied to my RES guarantee. I understand the PB/PR for early RES day release –vs- late RES day release and they were all applied correctly.
My first question: does an IA pay differently than a GS for RES? In other words does day 3 of an IA go towards my RES guarantee or pay above guarantee, or both?
Interestingly, I was rerouted on day-3 (rookie mistake answering my phone. I know…idiot thing to do) into flying a different flight back from EU and then DHing home (same duty period) so on my IA I now have a reroute. This brings me to my next question(s): does RRPY pay above guarantee? Should I see “REROUTE PAY” (down by G/SLIP PAY on the time card) in addition to the RRPY up in the trip details block?
I'm trying to figure out if it's all correct.
On my time card for the rotation number it has Block hours matching what I actually flew, Scheduled time and Pay time matching the full rotation including DH, and Credit matching ONLY what I did on the last day. Under the rotation details I have RRPY equal to 50% of rerouted legs Sked and Pay.
What actually gets paid above guarantee?
#1504
IA pays jsut like a GS. Without knowing the exact times involved, probably only the first leg will pay above guarantee though, but you need to convert report time to base time to know if it interrupted an X day (in which case the whole thing would pay above). RR pay is always above guarantee. It doesnt' always show RR, or right away, so give it some time.
#1505
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I’ve been re-reading this entire thread (I know, glutton for punishment) looking for info on GS/IA pay while on reserve. None of the scenarios quite fit and I can’t find clear info in the SRH, Sched Alerts or PWA.
My question is regarding pay.
Scenario: X-day/X-day/RES block of days.
I accepted a 3-day IA that covered two X-days and was scheduled to finish on first RES day. (International: day-1 over to EU, day-3 fly home.)
If this were a GS, I understand that day 1 would be single-pay above guarantee and day 3 would be applied to my RES guarantee. I understand the PB/PR for early RES day release –vs- late RES day release and they were all applied correctly.
My first question: does an IA pay differently than a GS for RES? In other words does day 3 of an IA go towards my RES guarantee or pay above guarantee, or both?
Interestingly, I was rerouted on day-3 (rookie mistake answering my phone. I know…idiot thing to do) into flying a different flight back from EU and then DHing home (same duty period) so on my IA I now have a reroute. This brings me to my next question(s): does RRPY pay above guarantee? Should I see “REROUTE PAY” (down by G/SLIP PAY on the time card) in addition to the RRPY up in the trip details block?
I'm trying to figure out if it's all correct.
On my time card for the rotation number it has Block hours matching what I actually flew, Scheduled time and Pay time matching the full rotation including DH, and Credit matching ONLY what I did on the last day. Under the rotation details I have RRPY equal to 50% of rerouted legs Sked and Pay.
What actually gets paid above guarantee?
My question is regarding pay.
Scenario: X-day/X-day/RES block of days.
I accepted a 3-day IA that covered two X-days and was scheduled to finish on first RES day. (International: day-1 over to EU, day-3 fly home.)
If this were a GS, I understand that day 1 would be single-pay above guarantee and day 3 would be applied to my RES guarantee. I understand the PB/PR for early RES day release –vs- late RES day release and they were all applied correctly.
My first question: does an IA pay differently than a GS for RES? In other words does day 3 of an IA go towards my RES guarantee or pay above guarantee, or both?
Interestingly, I was rerouted on day-3 (rookie mistake answering my phone. I know…idiot thing to do) into flying a different flight back from EU and then DHing home (same duty period) so on my IA I now have a reroute. This brings me to my next question(s): does RRPY pay above guarantee? Should I see “REROUTE PAY” (down by G/SLIP PAY on the time card) in addition to the RRPY up in the trip details block?
I'm trying to figure out if it's all correct.
On my time card for the rotation number it has Block hours matching what I actually flew, Scheduled time and Pay time matching the full rotation including DH, and Credit matching ONLY what I did on the last day. Under the rotation details I have RRPY equal to 50% of rerouted legs Sked and Pay.
What actually gets paid above guarantee?
You should get RRPY for the rerouted leg. And the whole trip should be above the guarantee because it’s an IA. And time card should show “assignment pay” equal to the whole thing as flown I think.
edit: it’s pay above for portion on x days only. Nothing for on call days. That would be IA with conflict. But you should get 2 PB days.
#1506
So, FangsF15, I understand the leg(s) added and flown on the original RES day are applied toward my RES guarantee (thus, no soup for me). Under the new contract, does the 50% of legs added and flown, even those entirely contained on RES days, pay above guarantee.
Section 23 L.4. says regular or reserve, (also referenced in Scheduling Alert 23-12) so I'm guessing the RRPY should be above guarantee.
Section 23 L.4. says regular or reserve, (also referenced in Scheduling Alert 23-12) so I'm guessing the RRPY should be above guarantee.
#1507
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So, FangsF15, I understand the leg(s) added and flown on the original RES day are applied toward my RES guarantee (thus, no soup for me). Under the new contract, does the 50% of legs added and flown, even those entirely contained on RES days, pay above guarantee.
Section 23 L.4. says regular or reserve, (also referenced in Scheduling Alert 23-12) so I guessing the RRPY should be above guarantee.
Section 23 L.4. says regular or reserve, (also referenced in Scheduling Alert 23-12) so I guessing the RRPY should be above guarantee.
#1508
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Joined: Aug 2021
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Fangs, that all sounds great. While not totally current, I can imagine your experience as the 765 plug was not to far off the mark. I’m fairly certain the WB life is for me. Sleep is the only question mark. Time will tell. I’ll continue to peruse the reserve availability list and daily coverage reports as if they were a crystal ball until I actually get my feet wet. Thanks for your input.
#1509
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Joined: Apr 2018
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Fangs, that all sounds great. While not totally current, I can imagine your experience as the 765 plug was not to far off the mark. I’m fairly certain the WB life is for me. Sleep is the only question mark. Time will tell. I’ll continue to peruse the reserve availability list and daily coverage reports as if they were a crystal ball until I actually get my feet wet. Thanks for your input.
#1510
How is reserve guarantee supposed to pay out during a month with your pay anniversary? I can't find a good reference for this situation.
For a relatively easy math, say it is a 30 day month, your pay anniversary is on the 11th, and you get "lucky" and don't fly a single rotation. Would your reserve guarantee pay out based on the hourly rate of 1/3 of previous year rate and 2/3 next year rate? What if all of my long call days start on the 11th or later?
TIA!
For a relatively easy math, say it is a 30 day month, your pay anniversary is on the 11th, and you get "lucky" and don't fly a single rotation. Would your reserve guarantee pay out based on the hourly rate of 1/3 of previous year rate and 2/3 next year rate? What if all of my long call days start on the 11th or later?
TIA!
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