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Old Yesterday | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
I've had multiple GenZ FOs just not have cash. But have grabbed me a coffee for paying. (I usually give the driver a $5 for us)

It's usually more of a "eff I don't have cash" and its tve only thing they use cash for. It's just not something they're used to carrying. Like subway and turnpike tokens.
That's totally cool.

I'm talking about flat out, grabbing bags and leaving. Not saying "I don't have the cash" as you described above. that scenario, totally cool and acceptable in my book.
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Old Yesterday | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
That's totally cool.

I'm talking about flat out, grabbing bags and leaving. Not saying "I don't have the cash" as you described above. that scenario, totally cool and acceptable in my book.
I'm a millennial and I get 1 dollar bills from the bank to tip the van drivers with... literally the only reason I ever get cash.

I've also never seen someone NOT tip the van driver here at Delta (aside from FAs).
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Old Yesterday | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Why do you millennial and Gen Z FO's not tip van drivers? Is it some kind of flex for you all???

Generally curious. When I was a lowly panel guy sitting sideways making squat as a new hire here, I tipped. Because that was prudent and expected of us as professionals. Now?

I don't get it. Someone explain this to me.
It's not a flex. To flex would be to care more.

My best explanation is that "they" don't care.

But you do care.

It's not about them.

Signed: Gen X'er that gets crisp $2 bills from the bank to tip van drivers and doesn't pay any attention to or care for what others tip.

Unless I ran low on my small bills and need change.
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Old Yesterday | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
I'm a millennial and I get 1 dollar bills from the bank to tip the van drivers with... literally the only reason I ever get cash.

I've also never seen someone NOT tip the van driver here at Delta (aside from FAs).
Same here. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a straight-up stiff to the van driver. I carry singles solely for this reason.

Maybe the guy HK saw is an outlier?
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Old Yesterday | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Why do you millennial and Gen Z FO's not tip van drivers? Is it some kind of flex for you all???

Generally curious. When I was a lowly panel guy sitting sideways making squat as a new hire here, I tipped. Because that was prudent and expected of us as professionals. Now?

I don't get it. Someone explain this to me.
With electronic payment as the norm now, everyone has their hand out like a street dweller. "I need a signature on the tablet, you just have to answer the question first." It's gotten out of hand. I think minimum wage should apply to everyone and the people who actually serve you like a waiter should be tipped as YOU see fit. Van drivers aren't making a reduced wage and dependent on gratuity. I rode with one guy that had his own QR code so if you didn't have cash he would get his 2 bucks. Just pay people a living wage so they don't have to guilt people into giving you money. Tipping for service is so 1980s. If there is genuine appreciation then give something but the expectation is not the reason.
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Old Yesterday | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
I'm a millennial and I get 1 dollar bills from the bank to tip the van drivers with... literally the only reason I ever get cash.

I've also never seen someone NOT tip the van driver here at Delta (aside from FAs).
I'm on my 4th trip with a millenial FO. I had one recently that was a Gen Z. None of them tipped. Not a single one. Granted we don't have many Gen Z on the WB fleet I'm on, but we had a few squeak into the category back in the salad days post cOvId.

Anyway, at least you are seeing it, that makes me feel a bit better.
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Old Yesterday | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
With electronic payment everyone has their hand out like a street dweller."I need a signature on the tablet you just have to answer the question first." It's gotten out of hand. I think minimum wage should apply to everyone and the people who actually serve you like a waiter should be tipped as YOU see fit. Van drivers aren't making a reduced wage and dependant on gratuity. I rode with one guy that had his own QR code so if you didn't have cash he would get his 2 bucks. Just pay people a living wage so they don't have to guilt people into giving you money. Tipping for service is so 1980s. If there is genuine appreciation then give something but the expectation is not the reason.
That's some mental gymnastics for a guy that constantly professes on here how much bank they make. Seriously you gonna quibble over $2? I'm just general curious what the aversion is to tipping the van/bus drivers.
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Old Yesterday | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
That's some mental gymnastics for a guy that constantly professes on here how much bank they make. Seriously you gonna quibble over $2? I'm just general curious what the aversion is to tipping the van/bus drivers.
I rarely carry cash, only for work tips. Apple pay for 99% of my transactions. Call it mental gymnastics if you like but it's out dated. I don't mind them earning more just put it in the price of the service. I still do it because it's the norm, I just think it shouldn't be. Nobody deserves $2.45 for an hourly wage. Van drivers don't even help with bags anymore and make an hourly wage way above the real servers. The employer needs to make up the difference and charge appropriately for the service. Call me cheap, it make no difference. I never claimed to make bank unless talking in general about the profession. (we all do very well) I claim to be efficient, minimal work for maximum pay, there's a huuuge difference.
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Old Yesterday | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I rarely carry cash, only for work tips. Apple pay for 99% of my transactions. Call it mental gymnastics if you like but it's out dated. I don't mind them earning more just put it in the price of the service. I still do it because it's the norm, I just think it shouldn't be. Nobody deserves $2.45 for an hourly wage. Van drivers don't even help with bags anymore and make an hourly wage way above the real servers. The employer needs to make up the difference and charge appropriately for the service. Call me cheap, It make no difference. I never claim to make bank unless we all do in general. I claim to be efficient minimal work for maximum pay, there's a huuuge difference.
I don't see it that way, and that's fine, we can disagree on that. I've not seen a van/bus driver not sling bags. Heck there used to be a woman driver that would toss a crew of 12 bags (7 of which were the cat ladies with the 6 bags each they carry around on trips) in the bus. Maybe you see other things, but I've not seen that in my time here.
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Old Yesterday | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
I'm on my 4th trip with a millenial FO. I had one recently that was a Gen Z. None of them tipped. Not a single one. Granted we don't have many Gen Z on the WB fleet I'm on, but we had a few squeak into the category back in the salad days post cOvId.

Anyway, at least you are seeing it, that makes me feel a bit better.
wait to see their heads spin when you tell them you leave $5 for the maids.
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