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Old 06-02-2014, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop View Post
If you consider the cockpit as your office space its a no brainer. The 737 is cramped, loud, and uncomfortable. With regard to your seat you have a choice you can slide it back or recline it but you can not do both at the same time.

The flying is probably pretty similar overall with the 737 perhaps doing a little more of the Transcon type of legs.


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With the addition of IFE on the 319 & 320 fleet beginning in 2015 and the now 45 321's beginning in 2016(I assume they will come with IFE), I think you will see more transcon legs then.
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Old 06-02-2014, 07:16 AM
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Any chance a non military guy had at getting on at Delta off the street ended today. Just announced a flow with Endeavor. Why do we keep dragging this mistake on? We need to just staple them to the bottom of the list and be done with it.
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Old 06-02-2014, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Klondike Bear View Post
Any chance a non military guy had at getting on at Delta off the street ended today. Just announced a flow with Endeavor.

We need to just staple them to the bottom of the list and be done with it.
Disagree and agree

The Endeavor hiring will only be 1/3 of the required pilots. 2/3s will come from the street both civ/mil...
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Old 06-02-2014, 07:38 AM
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Delta continues to hire the next generation of pilots and we need to ensure we attract the most competitive and highly qualified candidates to join our ranks as we face thousands of age 65 retirements in the coming years. While Delta has thousands of qualified applicants competing for positions, regional carriers are facing a tight market in attracting those candidates at earlier points in their careers. Identifying and being able to offer a career path is a critical component to attracting these candidates, not only into our industry as pilots but also to eventually come fly for Delta. As an industry leader, we will continue to be actively involved in finding innovative solutions to these issues in both the near and long term.

To that end, Delta and Endeavor today will announce the Endeavor-to-Delta Pilot Hiring and Commitment program (EtD Commitment) for prospective Endeavor pilots. Under this program, Endeavor will use Delta’s rigorous screening and interview process to select pilots. Delta will also participate in the hiring process. Pilots who are hired at Endeavor under the high standards of the EtD Commitment will receive a commitment to be hired at Delta without re-interviewing. While there will be obvious differences in experience between pilots hired at Delta and Endeavor, the traits that Delta values highly – job knowledge levels, cognitive abilities, critical thinking skills and leadership – will not be compromised in the EtD Commitment process.

While EtD Commitment pilots fly at Endeavor, they will be Endeavor pilots. When they are hired by Delta, they will enter indoctrination training along with their fellow new hire classmates as probationary Delta pilots. Until the point in time when they begin new hire training at Delta, EtD Commitment pilots will not receive a Delta date of hire or Delta seniority number or accrue any longevity. We anticipate the current Endeavor hiring program and the EtD Commitment will contribute approximately one-third of our pilot hiring demands going forward. Rest assured, there will be steady and increasing opportunities for you to refer candidates to Delta as our expected hiring needs should remain high for many years. Please keep recommending high-quality candidates with whom you have a personal connection. We take your references seriously and put their applications at the top of the stack for screening.

Delta will continue hiring the most competitive and highly qualified pilots in the industry. With this unique hiring program, Endeavor will now be able to attract those same candidates at earlier points in their career. Delta will directly benefit from this program by having a pool of future pilots who have been selected and trained to our high standards, have demonstrated performance, gained experience at Endeavor and have a clear understanding of the Delta brand.

I realize that you may have questions on how this process will work; the following FAQs should help address the most common topics. Additional FAQs are available on the Pilot Selection page of DeltaNet.

Thanks for all you do every day to serve our customers.

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Endeavor To Delta Pilot Hiring and Commitment Program
Delta Pilot FAQ

1. What is the EtD Commitment Program?
The Endeavor-to-Delta Pilot Hiring and Commitment Program (EtD Commitment) is a program through which pilots hired at Endeavor Air will have a clear career path to Delta Air Lines, once all eligibility requirements are satisfied, without having to re-interview in the normal Delta Pilot Selection process.

2. Why did Delta and Endeavor agree to implement the EtD Commitment?
With competition for qualified pilots among regional carriers as tight as ever, the EtD Commitment is expected to bolster Endeavor’s ability to attract career-minded pilots while positioning the airline for growth. Delta will have the benefit of a steady stream of pilots that have been selected and trained to their high standards and whose experience at Endeavor meets those high standards. Endeavor will be able to offer an identified career path that is vitally important to pilots in what is expected to remain a tight and competitive hiring environment for regional carriers.

3. Why is the EtD Commitment program important to Endeavor?
Being able to attract qualified pilots to Endeavor in sufficient numbers will allow Endeavor to operate its current fleet reliably, be well-positioned for additional growth aircraft, develop a clear pilot career path for Endeavor pilots that includes growth and progression, and provide career stability for all Endeavor employees.

4. Why is the EtD Commitment program important to Delta?
With Endeavor Air being a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta and the largest regional carrier in the Delta Connection family, Delta has a vested interest in ensuring that Endeavor can continue to provide reliable air service and accommodate growth in its role as Delta’s preferred regional partner. Additionally, EtD Commitment pilots will provide a steady stream of highly qualified and experienced pilots to Delta who meet Delta’s high standards as Delta continues hiring for age-65 retirements.

5. Do any other carriers have this kind of hiring agreement program?
No other regional carrier has this level of commitment for employment at a major airline. Some regional carriers have flow programs for current seniority list pilots, but these programs don’t extend to new-hire pilots.

6. Is the EtD Commitment a flow through agreement?
No. While the EtD Commitment is similar to what is often referred to as a “flow through” program, there are some important distinctions:

· Endeavor has agreed to use the Delta pilot hiring protocols. This will ensure that when an eligible Endeavor EtD Commitment pilot transitions to Delta, Delta can be assured the pilot has met the same high standards (allowing for differences in experience) used by Delta when hiring pilots.

· There are eligibility requirements in the areas of training, discipline, and reliability that all Endeavor EtD Commitment pilots must meet to become and remain eligible to move to Delta.

· The EtD Commitment is a unilateral offer from Delta to Endeavor applicants and is not a term or condition of employment at Endeavor. The EtD Commitment gives Endeavor pilots no right to return to Endeavor once hired by Delta, and gives Delta pilots no right to “flow down” to Endeavor.

7. Is Delta lowering its pilot hiring standards with this program?
No. The EtD Commitment was specifically designed to ensure the same high standards that Delta uses today in its pilot selection process (allowing for differences in experience) will be used in hiring Endeavor pilots under the EtD Commitment. Delta representatives will also participate in the Endeavor pilot selection process. Traits that Delta and Endeavor highly value, such as job knowledge levels, cognitive abilities, critical thinking skills and leadership will not be compromised. Also, the experience and performance provisions of the EtD Commitment while at Endeavor serve to demonstrate pilots meet these high standards.

8. Are current Endeavor pilots eligible for the EtD Commitment?
No. Current Endeavor pilots were not hired under the EtD Commitment protocol and Delta was not involved in their hiring. Current Endeavor pilots are instead eligible for the Streamlined Selection Process (SSP) and will be offered an opportunity to interview with Delta before any pilot in the EtD Commitment is “called up.” Should a current Endeavor pilot be unsuccessful in applying with Delta, s/he will continue flying with Endeavor whereas if a pilot is not selected under the EtD Commitment, s/he will not be hired at Endeavor.

Delta and Endeavor have also agreed to the provide current Endeavor pilots hired after the Bridge Agreement and prior to the EtD Commitment implementation with the same seniority-order SSP interview opportunity as other Endeavor pilots. These pilots will now have a similar opportunity to compete for a Delta job as SSP pilots.

9. Will eligible EtD Commitment pilots be offered employment at Delta before the SSP pilots referenced in question 8?
No. No pilot will be offered employment at Delta under the EtD Commitment before all SSP-eligible pilots have either moved from the pool of successful SSP candidates to Delta or have completed their initial SSP interview.

10. How long will it take for a pilot hired under this program to be eligible to be hired at Delta?
Using reasonable assumptions for Delta hiring, Endeavor’s fleet plan, and forecast attrition, it is estimated that the first eligible EtD Commitment pilots will transition to Delta approximately five years after being hired at Endeavor. We expect thereafter that with Delta’s projected pilot retirements and assuming Delta’s fleet remains stable or grows modestly, EtD Commitment pilots will continue to transition to Delta after careers of approximately five years at Endeavor.

11. How many Endeavor pilots will move to Delta under this program?
Delta has committed to offer employment to eligible EtD Commitment pilots at a minimum rate of 35 percent of the total number of pilots hired at Delta off the street in a year, or 300 pilots a year, whichever number is lower. This means that in a year when Delta hires 600 pilots (excluding Compass flow ups), 210 (35 percent) of those pilots will come from Endeavor.

12. What are the eligibility requirements to be able to move to Delta under the EtD Commitment?
Please refer to the Endeavor-to-Delta Hiring Program and Commitment Letter for all eligibility requirements.

13. Can the EtD Commitment be terminated?
Yes. The EtD Commitment is not part of either airline’s pilot CBA; therefore, Delta or Endeavor can terminate the EtD Commitment program at any time.

14. If the EtD Commitment is terminated, what happens to those pilots hired under the program that have yet to be offered employment at Delta?
If the EtD Commitment is terminated by either Delta or Endeavor, those pilots hired under the EtD Commitment who have not yet been offered employment at Delta will be “grandfathered” and have their hiring rights at Delta honored once all eligibility requirements are met. Any pilot hired at Endeavor after the EtD Commitment program is terminated will have no commitment from Delta.

15. Will a pilot hired at Endeavor under the EtD Commitment receive a Delta date of hire and seniority number.
No. Pilots hired under the EtD Commitment will not receive a Delta date of hire or Delta seniority number until they are actually offered employment at Delta and begin working at Delta. The EtD Commitment does
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Old 06-02-2014, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
I would be careful on thinking the 717 is coming to LA soon unless you have some inside info. Publicly the company is not planning a west coast base and they have put out on multiple occasions that the next base will be NYC. With the gate limits there I see them focusing on larger aircraft there.
Agreed. Maybe eventually, but I very much doubt within the next year. I'd also say to be honest, the odds are much closer to zero than they are to it being green lighted.

One point to consider, if they did put it in LAX (or anywhere new) no one in the company is under a freeze to bid it as that is a new category. If you were under a freeze, its waived if you bid for a new category.
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Old 06-02-2014, 08:16 AM
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As for the new Pinnacle pseudo flow, another dropped ball WRT DCI.

This will do nothing to stem attrition there. This will do a lot to further disrupt their already almost collapsing operation by inflaming resentment towards DL by current PCL pilots. Any "benefits" to DL (of which there really are none) won't take effect for about 5 years. It can apparently be terminated by PCL. And since DL already has to take 35% DCI ALPA pilots, this will increase the PCL hire numbers very little. When it does take effect, there will be mass "seniority jumping" by an entitled class of junior pilots over senior pilots at PCL, which will inflame things even more.

If anything, I'd say this was an attempt at flight school recruiting propaganda. Sort of a modern version of "Being Owned By Delta Means Everything!" It may be ever so slightly successful in that regard, but many of the pilots they get on the hook this way will still leave for other airlines anyway.

In the meantime, any pilot on either side of this poorly thought out line will still apply to several other places also needing lots of pilots and will go if called anyway.

Yet another MBA miscalculation in the self inflicted RJ debacle.
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Old 06-02-2014, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by sevenfiveseven View Post
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The Endeavor hiring will only be 1/3 of the required pilots. 2/3s will come from the street both civ/mil...
Don't forget about the Compass and Mesaba flows. After the flows I believe Delta will only hire Mil to keep 50/50 split.

I am in the Guard so it shouldn't hurt my buddies but I don't like Delta passing up on really good canidates.
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Old 06-02-2014, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Klondike Bear View Post
Don't forget about the Compass and Mesaba flows. After the flows I believe Delta will only hire Mil to keep 50/50 split.

I am in the Guard so it shouldn't hurt my buddies but I don't like Delta passing up on really good canidates.
They can come work at 9E first.

Talk about a dumb program.

On another note, we just got an email from the MEC that says they are considering picketing this EtD program. LOL
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Old 06-02-2014, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Klondike Bear View Post
Don't forget about the Compass and Mesaba flows. After the flows I believe Delta will only hire Mil to keep 50/50 split.

I am in the Guard so it shouldn't hurt my buddies but I don't like Delta passing up on really good canidates.
Mesaba flow is only 9 a month and is almost over forever.

CPZ flow is limited to 20 a month and 25% of their list a year (130 or so right now). Even that will end in a few years as well.

DL has had for years a contractual requirement to hire 35% DCI ALPA pilots. This basically changes nothing other than possibly making it a little harder for future CPZ/Expressjet pilots to get hired at DL, although that should be somewhat mitigated by many years of large hiring.

Also, the poorly thought out PCL agreement is limited to 300 per year. Going into a sustained period where we will be hiring 800+ per year for a while, its really not much different than what would be happening without it anyway. If it gets to be too much, PCL can end it apparently according to the Q&A.

There will be plenty of civilian OTS opportunities at DL going forward.
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Old 06-02-2014, 08:55 AM
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They can come work at 9E first.

Talk about a dumb program.

On another note, we just got an email from the MEC that says they are considering picketing this EtD program. LOL
I can't imagine a current endeavor pilot jumping for joy over this program. Say a guy that's been there 10 years and is a check airman has to give IOE to the new hire, a golden child with rights to delta over himself. How is this a good thing for endeavor?
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