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Old 01-22-2014, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by surfnski View Post
Called for an update today. OTS December interviews can expect late 2014 for class.


That is very bad news if true. If the 600-700 number people keep floating ends up being correct, I still can't see why we would be near term planning on such anemic hiring numbers. Fooling Wall Street makes no sense. They could care less about a couple hundred first year pilots in a 12000 pilot airline. That wouldn't even register on the stock price. This smells more and more like we're being played but why? Another TA sales job but with no TA.
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Old 01-22-2014, 05:33 PM
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This actually sounds about right. I think a late December hire would get approximately September if they have ~600.
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Old 01-22-2014, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy View Post


That is very bad news if true. If the 600-700 number people keep floating ends up being correct, I still can't see why we would be near term planning on such anemic hiring numbers. Fooling Wall Street makes no sense. They could care less about a couple hundred first year pilots in a 12000 pilot airline. That wouldn't even register on the stock price. This smells more and more like we're being played but why? Another TA sales job but with no TA.
hope it has nothing to do with the airlines of the 49th and 50th states.
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Old 01-22-2014, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by surfnski View Post
Called for an update today. OTS December interviews can expect late 2014 for class.
Did that info come from the hiring manager? Did they give an update on projected/approved hiring numbers for the year? What are they telling those who recently interviewed? Sounds like interview invites are still going out...
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Old 01-22-2014, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MikefromMT View Post
This actually sounds about right. I think a late December hire would get approximately September if they have ~600.
How about if it's ~300 (which it actually currently is)?
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Old 01-22-2014, 07:09 PM
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It looks like 300 would result in almost no street hires getting a class until the flows stop. If that were in September and classes continued at say 30/month total (20 ots/10 endeavor)... It would take a very long time to get to 170 deep in the pool.

However, if this were remotely the forecast the current pace of interviews would not make much sense.
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Old 01-22-2014, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy View Post


That is very bad news if true. If the 600-700 number people keep floating ends up being correct, I still can't see why we would be near term planning on such anemic hiring numbers. Fooling Wall Street makes no sense. They could care less about a couple hundred first year pilots in a 12000 pilot airline. That wouldn't even register on the stock price. This smells more and more like we're being played but why? Another TA sales job but with no TA.
It worked so well last time, why not play it again?

I was told by my ATL Capt. Rep, if we vote Yes on C2012, the hiring will start in fall of 2012, and we'll never see the 3% raises, because we'll be back in contract negotiations for the next merger by March of 2013....

So, how's that working out for you now?

Don't forget about giving up 33% of your profit sharing for that 3% raise.
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Old 01-22-2014, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by surfnski View Post
Called for an update today. OTS December interviews can expect late 2014 for class.
The word I heard second hand from a guy who was offered the job just over a week ago was to expect an Aug class date. Mixed messages to say the least.
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Old 01-22-2014, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo View Post
It worked so well last time, why not play it again?

I was told by my ATL Capt. Rep, if we vote Yes on C2012, the hiring will start in fall of 2012, and we'll never see the 3% raises, because we'll be back in contract negotiations for the next merger by March of 2013....

So, how's that working out for you now?

Don't forget about giving up 33% of your profit sharing for that 3% raise.
Sounds like there was a bet going between the guys being paid to push the TA in the crew room: Who can add the most BS to SD's line about hiring in the fall of '12 and get someone to believe it.
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Old 01-22-2014, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo View Post
It worked so well last time, why not play it again?

I was told by my ATL Capt. Rep, if we vote Yes on C2012, the hiring will start in fall of 2012, and we'll never see the 3% raises, because we'll be back in contract negotiations for the next merger by March of 2013....

So, how's that working out for you now?

Don't forget about giving up 33% of your profit sharing for that 3% raise.
I too was told that we'd never see the 3% raises... we were freeing them up to make big moves and we'd be right back in negotiations and get even more.

Do the math on how much lower your profit sharing check is, too. Yikes!
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