Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
02-08-2016 | 07:05 PM
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You got a year before -700's. Expect something different beforehand. Bid where you want to be by base, don't worry about -200 or -900. Both are jets, both go fast, both are fun to fly, one is a Miata, the other is an Expedition in car terms. Go for the base you want. If you get DTW or Msp -200 first for the base, you can bid the -900 soon and it's an easy transition. Don't look at the first aircraft. It'll be fun and you will learn something.
Quick story, in 2006 I started at what is now endeavor. First day of class the guy from planning came in and said "hey, there are 30 of you, we have spots for street CA and FO in all 3 bases (Msp,DTW,MEM) so unless all of you want 1 base you should get what you want". We put our bids in that afternoon. Next morning, "hey, guys senior changed bids, all of you are going to DTW FO". That sucked. Next vacancy, exactly where I wanted. Commuted for 2 months.
Moral of the story, seniority rules. Start, get your Sen number, and let it work for you in time. It won't take long. 1 class in a merger, personally, was a 500 seniority number split, so every class date matters.
Quick story, in 2006 I started at what is now endeavor. First day of class the guy from planning came in and said "hey, there are 30 of you, we have spots for street CA and FO in all 3 bases (Msp,DTW,MEM) so unless all of you want 1 base you should get what you want". We put our bids in that afternoon. Next morning, "hey, guys senior changed bids, all of you are going to DTW FO". That sucked. Next vacancy, exactly where I wanted. Commuted for 2 months.
Moral of the story, seniority rules. Start, get your Sen number, and let it work for you in time. It won't take long. 1 class in a merger, personally, was a 500 seniority number split, so every class date matters.
What is differences like? I know there is an oral and PC, but is it handled differently than initial?
02-08-2016 | 07:10 PM
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You got a year before -700's. Expect something different beforehand. Bid where you want to be by base, don't worry about -200 or -900. Both are jets, both go fast, both are fun to fly, one is a Miata, the other is an Expedition in car terms. Go for the base you want. If you get DTW or Msp -200 first for the base, you can bid the -900 soon and it's an easy transition. Don't look at the first aircraft. It'll be fun and you will learn something.
Quick story, in 2006 I started at what is now endeavor. First day of class the guy from planning came in and said "hey, there are 30 of you, we have spots for street CA and FO in all 3 bases (Msp,DTW,MEM) so unless all of you want 1 base you should get what you want". We put our bids in that afternoon. Next morning, "hey, guys senior changed bids, all of you are going to DTW FO". That sucked. Next vacancy, exactly where I wanted. Commuted for 2 months.
Moral of the story, seniority rules. Start, get your Sen number, and let it work for you in time. It won't take long. 1 class in a merger, personally, was a 500 seniority number split, so every class date matters.
Quick story, in 2006 I started at what is now endeavor. First day of class the guy from planning came in and said "hey, there are 30 of you, we have spots for street CA and FO in all 3 bases (Msp,DTW,MEM) so unless all of you want 1 base you should get what you want". We put our bids in that afternoon. Next morning, "hey, guys senior changed bids, all of you are going to DTW FO". That sucked. Next vacancy, exactly where I wanted. Commuted for 2 months.
Moral of the story, seniority rules. Start, get your Sen number, and let it work for you in time. It won't take long. 1 class in a merger, personally, was a 500 seniority number split, so every class date matters.
02-08-2016 | 07:22 PM
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You got a year before -700's. Expect something different beforehand. Bid where you want to be by base, don't worry about -200 or -900. Both are jets, both go fast, both are fun to fly, one is a Miata, the other is an Expedition in car terms. Go for the base you want. If you get DTW or Msp -200 first for the base, you can bid the -900 soon and it's an easy transition. Don't look at the first aircraft. It'll be fun and you will learn something.
Quick story, in 2006 I started at what is now endeavor. First day of class the guy from planning came in and said "hey, there are 30 of you, we have spots for street CA and FO in all 3 bases (Msp,DTW,MEM) so unless all of you want 1 base you should get what you want". We put our bids in that afternoon. Next morning, "hey, guys senior changed bids, all of you are going to DTW FO". That sucked. Next vacancy, exactly where I wanted. Commuted for 2 months.
Moral of the story, seniority rules. Start, get your Sen number, and let it work for you in time. It won't take long. 1 class in a merger, personally, was a 500 seniority number split, so every class date matters.
Quick story, in 2006 I started at what is now endeavor. First day of class the guy from planning came in and said "hey, there are 30 of you, we have spots for street CA and FO in all 3 bases (Msp,DTW,MEM) so unless all of you want 1 base you should get what you want". We put our bids in that afternoon. Next morning, "hey, guys senior changed bids, all of you are going to DTW FO". That sucked. Next vacancy, exactly where I wanted. Commuted for 2 months.
Moral of the story, seniority rules. Start, get your Sen number, and let it work for you in time. It won't take long. 1 class in a merger, personally, was a 500 seniority number split, so every class date matters.
02-08-2016 | 07:28 PM
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Yep, had one base assigned during ground, vacancy came out, was home based once IOE was completed. Initial base isn't end of the world. I wanted 200 and got it. It's my first jet and it's a fun plane. Ended up being a good choice, with more coming from Kingman.
What is differences like? I know there is an oral and PC, but is it handled differently than initial?
What is differences like? I know there is an oral and PC, but is it handled differently than initial?
Nobody gets satisfaction in failing someone. If nothing else, the paperwork sucks. So it's avoided, unless it's needed. It happens, but it's rare and normally a result of attitude to not study the things required. It's not rocket science and a much "simpler" process from when I started where you needed to "build the plane". You will be trained on how everything works, and will be checked on what you can control from the flight deck. Everything is laid out with all resources available to learn. Bring a good attitude and a desire to learn and all will be well. Basic instrument skills will be helpful though...
02-08-2016 | 07:34 PM
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Yep, had one base assigned during ground, vacancy came out, was home based once IOE was completed. Initial base isn't end of the world. I wanted 200 and got it. It's my first jet and it's a fun plane. Ended up being a good choice, with more coming from Kingman.
What is differences like? I know there is an oral and PC, but is it handled differently than initial?
What is differences like? I know there is an oral and PC, but is it handled differently than initial?
My only critique is the training footprint. It took about 3 weeks total, and I was the first to finish in my class. 4 days ground school, 2 FTDs, 3 sims, oral and PC, with 2-3 day breaks smattered in between all the training events. Positive space to and from your home address to training when you have 2+ days off.
02-08-2016 | 08:33 PM
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Differences from a pilot perspective of 200 vs 900:
If you are 6'2' you can stand up straight. Taller? Still hosed from my 6'2 POV.
Bleed(s) is automatic
Fadec aka, climb well above FL180 better than the -200
2 FMS heads
Meals on long legs (-200 limited to 750mi)
Forward lav (worthless when doing less than 750 mi legs)
CA's make more, FO slightly more than -200... But living on reserve longer.
In the end, -200 FO will make more in first 18 months. Do the math.
That's it.
If you are 6'2' you can stand up straight. Taller? Still hosed from my 6'2 POV.
Bleed(s) is automatic
Fadec aka, climb well above FL180 better than the -200
2 FMS heads
Meals on long legs (-200 limited to 750mi)
Forward lav (worthless when doing less than 750 mi legs)
CA's make more, FO slightly more than -200... But living on reserve longer.
In the end, -200 FO will make more in first 18 months. Do the math.
That's it.
02-08-2016 | 08:50 PM
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Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
With all the classes being split and AQP style training, what could someone expect for an overall initial training footprint. I understand it will vary from class to class and person to person. I'm just looking for averages.
02-08-2016 | 08:51 PM
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Differences from a pilot perspective of 200 vs 900:
If you are 6'2' you can stand up straight. Taller? Still hosed from my 6'2 POV.
Bleed(s) is automatic
Fadec aka, climb well above FL180 better than the -200
2 FMS heads
Meals on long legs (-200 limited to 750mi)
Forward lav (worthless when doing less than 750 mi legs)
CA's make more, FO slightly more than -200... But living on reserve longer.
In the end, -200 FO will make more in first 18 months. Do the math.
That's it.
If you are 6'2' you can stand up straight. Taller? Still hosed from my 6'2 POV.
Bleed(s) is automatic
Fadec aka, climb well above FL180 better than the -200
2 FMS heads
Meals on long legs (-200 limited to 750mi)
Forward lav (worthless when doing less than 750 mi legs)
CA's make more, FO slightly more than -200... But living on reserve longer.
In the end, -200 FO will make more in first 18 months. Do the math.
That's it.
02-08-2016 | 08:55 PM
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They said it is taking 90 days, that seems like a long time to me but apparently they said it use to be 120 days. I am assuming that includes IOE.
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