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08-07-2016 | 07:05 AM
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Absolutely this. We were operating within the 117 rules, the company refused to play ball and formulate a reserve system by negotiation, instead they elected to unilaterally impose their system. They dragged their feet. Worked great for them, sucks for the rest of us. Don't blame the pilots for trying to negotiate a deal that the company couldn't poke full of holes like they usually want. They had plenty of time to adjust operations in expectation of the approaching rule changes but instead elected to do nothing and leave the pilots to suffer the consequences.
08-07-2016 | 07:32 AM
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Absolutely this. We were operating within the 117 rules, the company refused to play ball and formulate a reserve system by negotiation, instead they elected to unilaterally impose their system. They dragged their feet. Worked great for them, sucks for the rest of us. Don't blame the pilots for trying to negotiate a deal that the company couldn't poke full of holes like they usually want. They had plenty of time to adjust operations in expectation of the approaching rule changes but instead elected to do nothing and leave the pilots to suffer the consequences.
Just want to make sure opinions are formed off proper facts.
08-07-2016 | 07:42 AM
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That doesn't change what I said.
There were negotiations, the company wanted what benefitted them the most and would have left the pilots with the short end of the stick. The company imposed their rules and hasn't looked back. They "tried" only just enough to realize that they couldn't force us to take their usual abuses, then quit.
There were negotiations, the company wanted what benefitted them the most and would have left the pilots with the short end of the stick. The company imposed their rules and hasn't looked back. They "tried" only just enough to realize that they couldn't force us to take their usual abuses, then quit.
08-07-2016 | 07:43 AM
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Just for the record they did try a few times, the Union thinking they would continue to be stuck with the rap 2 scheme the pilots had said no and asked for more. The company imposed the rap 1 scheme and didn't come back with more offers.
Just want to make sure opinions are formed off proper facts.
Just want to make sure opinions are formed off proper facts.
08-07-2016 | 08:43 AM
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Granted what the reserves were doing was hurting the company. The difference is the union was willing to negotiate towards something better where the company pulled from the table and used some self help to remedy the situation. Outside of railway labor act if I've ever seen it. We will find out the ruling once we get the arbitrators ruling.
08-07-2016 | 09:09 AM
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Granted what the reserves were doing was hurting the company. The difference is the union was willing to negotiate towards something better where the company pulled from the table and used some self help to remedy the situation. Outside of railway labor act if I've ever seen it. We will find out the ruling once we get the arbitrators ruling.
08-07-2016 | 11:54 AM
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If you are selling your car for $10,000 and I offer you $100 and refuse to pay more. Did I blow the deal or did you because you refused my offer?
08-07-2016 | 12:45 PM
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If your wife is selling her car worth $5000 and has a close friend who needs a new car right away who offers $7000 and your wife says I'll only take $9000, the person offers $7500 and your wife says $8000 lbfo and the person buys another car from someone else. Next day your wife bumps a guard rail with her car and it's now worth $3000 at best. Do you blame your wife or everyone else on earth?
08-07-2016 | 12:52 PM
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If we fail at arbitration, which is entirely possible our leverage drops to nearly zero to get the company to negotiate something better than preassigned RAPs. In that situation your $1000 offer would be better than zero. How confident are you in arbitration?
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