What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
05-26-2013, 06:48 AM
#3091
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Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: French-Canadian
Posts: 2,101
Originally Posted by Trip7
Have you joined the L-XJT APC crowd and are demanding big raises now? Btw, I have the exact amount of experience working for Skywest Inc that you have Capt Tony. What scars you have from previous management is irrelevant.
I'm not going to jump into online banter about what pay increase we deserve for the next 10 pages. Besides PBS bidding systems and rest of the JCBA has been negotiated pretty quickly. I think the TA will be done soon and it will allow for growth while protecting what we have.
I'm not going to jump into online banter about what pay increase we deserve for the next 10 pages. Besides PBS bidding systems and rest of the JCBA has been negotiated pretty quickly. I think the TA will be done soon and it will allow for growth while protecting what we have.
05-26-2013, 06:48 AM
#3092
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 27
Originally Posted by Trip7
Have you joined the L-XJT APC crowd and are demanding big raises now? Btw, I have the exact amount of experience working for Skywest Inc that you have Capt Tony. What scars you have from previous management is irrelevant.
I'm not going to jump into online banter about what pay increase we deserve for the next 10 pages. Besides PBS bidding systems and rest of the JCBA has been negotiated pretty quickly. I think the TA will be done soon and it will allow for growth while protecting what we have.
I'm not going to jump into online banter about what pay increase we deserve for the next 10 pages. Besides PBS bidding systems and rest of the JCBA has been negotiated pretty quickly. I think the TA will be done soon and it will allow for growth while protecting what we have.
05-26-2013, 07:39 AM
#3093
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Originally Posted by Captain Tony
I remember back in the day, Comair was in the end game of negotiations, and management parked an E170 on the CVG ramp for a dog and pony show. The pilots were told management was "very interested" in the airplane, and "could get it" except that they were currently not cost competitive for the award. The union worked with management to expedite the contract (took concessions), and as soon as the contract was signed, management turned around and told them they hadn't "won the award". The same will happen here.
You NEVER ever bid on phantom airplanes!
You NEVER ever bid on phantom airplanes!
I have faith the union can get this contract done soon with very modest pay increases while retaining our QOL.
Originally Posted by cybourg10
What might be a modest pay raise to you could be a pay cut for me. A couple more bucks an hour for me with your 401k, medical, sick time, trip trading flexibility, soft time pay, etc. I am not voting for your modest pay raise so that I can lose any more money on this job. I turned down ASA back in 2006 when they were begging me to interview because their total compensation was not as good as places like XJT and AWAC (not to mention they were losing planes to SKW mainline). Stop thinking that singing a 3% raise is going to get you into a 175 by this time next year. Get married and have a kid and then lets see how cool you are with just a "modest" raise while our customers make record profits. The regional airlines are not viable business and we need to stop keeping these zombie companies alive with perpetual concessions. Take your modest pay raise and use it as you would toilet paper. I'd rather go unemployed then work under ASA's contract with a "modest" pay raise.
You better start filling out that resume of yours then because there is no way the company is going to give us anything other than a "modest" pay increase, if there is an increase at all. I think a lot of pilots on here would call it a win, if we were even able to keep the current pay rates, but just change some QOL issues that cost the company nothing. We make more than: TSA, Silver, PSA, Pinnacle, Piedmont, Mesa, Go-Jet, Compass, Commute Air, and Republic. We are on par with Eagle, Horizon, and Skywest all in terms of hourly pay.
Why do you think we should get or deserve a pay increase? People in this industry are always complaining about something. 6 leg days! Screw that! (Oh these new rest rules suck I'm only going to be doing 2 leg days with 19 hours on the ground in Moline gross.) Our performance numbers are terrible! (Lets do a 30 minute taxi and fly 250 the whole way to get overblock). At the end of the day we all talk a big game but when it comes to losing our job or working we will always back down. The reason being....seniority is everything. If you want to take a pay loss and quit go ahead. You can start at 24 dollars an hour working reserve somewhere else.
The only trick we have up our sleeve is that we are unable to fill new hire classes. With the demand of pilots increasing at the regional level as attrition rates increase the current pilot group could use that as leverage to get more pay.
A modest raise to the LXJT contract would the the equivalent to demanding huge pay raises for the ASA contract.
05-26-2013, 09:34 AM
#3094
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,414
Originally Posted by pilot66503:1415991
Originally Posted by Trip7
Have you joined the L-XJT APC crowd and are demanding big raises now? Btw, I have the exact amount of experience working for Skywest Inc that you have Capt Tony. What scars you have from previous management is irrelevant.
I'm not going to jump into online banter about what pay increase we deserve for the next 10 pages. Besides PBS bidding systems and rest of the JCBA has been negotiated pretty quickly. I think the TA will be done soon and it will allow for growth while protecting what we have.
I'm not going to jump into online banter about what pay increase we deserve for the next 10 pages. Besides PBS bidding systems and rest of the JCBA has been negotiated pretty quickly. I think the TA will be done soon and it will allow for growth while protecting what we have.
05-26-2013, 09:38 AM
#3095
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,414
Originally Posted by What
Let me get this straight, delta and united will have to park 50 seaters. SKW inc flies 710+ out of the 900 that scope allows in a few years but all of you believe that you will grow?!?!? By summer's end you will see SKW inc whipsaw Skywest airlines vs Expressjet airlines not for growth aircraft but for who gets to shrink the least and gets the large Rjs.
Last edited by Trip7; 05-26-2013 at 09:56 AM.
05-26-2013, 09:55 AM
#3096
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,414
Originally Posted by Nevets
For both Trip7 and pilot666, the relevant question is, are you talking about a modest pay raise and retaining QOL as it pertains to the current ASA contract? Because that would be a significant pay cut and decrease in QOL as it pertains to the LXJT side.
A modest raise to the LXJT contract would the the equivalent to demanding huge pay raises for the ASA contract.
A modest raise to the LXJT contract would the the equivalent to demanding huge pay raises for the ASA contract.
Anyways it's an irrelevant debate, because the union has released a statement saying they are committed to expediting a JCBA in order to give the company the flexibility and economics to add new growth aircraft like the EMB-175 while maintaining the QOL for all pilots. I stand by the union and that statement.
If you guys want to banter for the next 5 pages about how much better L-XJT's contract is carry on, I'll wait for a TA
05-26-2013, 10:18 AM
#3097
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,134
Originally Posted by Trip7
Anyways it's an irrelevant debate, because the union has released a statement saying they are committed to expediting a JCBA in order to give the company the flexibility and economics to add new growth aircraft like the EMB-175 while maintaining the QOL for all pilots. I stand by the union and that statement.
05-26-2013, 12:14 PM
#3098
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Originally Posted by Nevets
For both Trip7 and pilot666, the relevant question is, are you talking about a modest pay raise and retaining QOL as it pertains to the current ASA contract? Because that would be a significant pay cut and decrease in QOL as it pertains to the LXJT side.
A modest raise to the LXJT contract would the the equivalent to demanding huge pay raises for the ASA contract.
A modest raise to the LXJT contract would the the equivalent to demanding huge pay raises for the ASA contract.
Anyways it's an irrelevant debate, because the union has released a statement saying they are committed to expediting a JCBA in order to give the company the flexibility and economics to add new growth aircraft like the EMB-175 while maintaining the QOL for all pilots. I stand by the union and that statement.
If you guys want to banter for the next 5 pages about how much better L-XJT's contract is carry on, I'll wait for a TA
So of course you are willing to take a modest raise and keep your current QOL from your contract but that would be a "significant" concession on both for us on the XJT contract.
My fear is that my union will agree to a TA that has only a modest pay raise and maintains your QOL in order to chase the 175 carrot. Personally, this is just me talking, I rather whither in the vine.
Keep your plan B and C ready!
05-26-2013, 01:07 PM
#3099
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Posts: 5,414
Originally Posted by Nevets
For both Trip7 and pilot666, the relevant question is, are you talking about a modest pay raise and retaining QOL as it pertains to the current ASA contract? Because that would be a significant pay cut and decrease in QOL as it pertains to the LXJT side.
A modest raise to the LXJT contract would the the equivalent to demanding huge pay raises for the ASA contract.
A modest raise to the LXJT contract would the the equivalent to demanding huge pay raises for the ASA contract.
05-26-2013, 01:23 PM
#3100
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Position: EMB 145 CPT
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Originally Posted by Nevets
For both Trip7 and pilot666, the relevant question is, are you talking about a modest pay raise and retaining QOL as it pertains to the current ASA contract? Because that would be a significant pay cut and decrease in QOL as it pertains to the LXJT side.
A modest raise to the LXJT contract would the the equivalent to demanding huge pay raises for the ASA contract.
A modest raise to the LXJT contract would the the equivalent to demanding huge pay raises for the ASA contract.
How about agree that your modest raise and maintains your QOL would be a concession to LXJT. Or putting it another way, a modest pay raise to the LXJT contract would be a significant raise to ASA?
Keep in mind the facts:
Pay rates
401k matching
B fund
Vacation accrual
Sick accrual
Per diem
Health benefits
Premium caps
Scheduling rules
Reserve rules
Pretty much all the financial drivers.
Last edited by Nevets; 05-26-2013 at 02:00 PM.
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