What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
05-26-2013 | 04:55 AM
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What might be a modest pay raise to you could be a pay cut for me. A couple more bucks an hour for me with your 401k, medical, sick time, trip trading flexibility, soft time pay, etc. I am not voting for your modest pay raise so that I can lose any more money on this job. I turned down ASA back in 2006 when they were begging me to interview because their total compensation was not as good as places like XJT and AWAC (not to mention they were losing planes to SKW mainline). Stop thinking that singing a 3% raise is going to get you into a 175 by this time next year. Get married and have a kid and then lets see how cool you are with just a "modest" raise while our customers make record profits. The regional airlines are not viable business and we need to stop keeping these zombie companies alive with perpetual concessions. Take your modest pay raise and use it as you would toilet paper. I'd rather go unemployed then work under ASA's contract with a "modest" pay raise.
Skywest mainline?..... They got 777s over there?
05-26-2013 | 05:26 AM
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What might be a modest pay raise to you could be a pay cut for me. A couple more bucks an hour for me with your 401k, medical, sick time, trip trading flexibility, soft time pay, etc. I am not voting for your modest pay raise so that I can lose any more money on this job. I turned down ASA back in 2006 when they were begging me to interview because their total compensation was not as good as places like XJT and AWAC (not to mention they were losing planes to SKW mainline). Stop thinking that singing a 3% raise is going to get you into a 175 by this time next year. Get married and have a kid and then lets see how cool you are with just a "modest" raise while our customers make record profits. The regional airlines are not viable business and we need to stop keeping these zombie companies alive with perpetual concessions. Take your modest pay raise and use it as you would toilet paper. I'd rather go unemployed then work under ASA's contract with a "modest" pay raise.
You better start filling out that resume of yours then because there is no way the company is going to give us anything other than a "modest" pay increase, if there is an increase at all. I think a lot of pilots on here would call it a win, if we were even able to keep the current pay rates, but just change some QOL issues that cost the company nothing. We make more than: TSA, Silver, PSA, Pinnacle, Piedmont, Mesa, Go-Jet, Compass, Commute Air, and Republic. We are on par with Eagle, Horizon, and Skywest all in terms of hourly pay.
Why do you think we should get or deserve a pay increase? People in this industry are always complaining about something. 6 leg days! Screw that! (Oh these new rest rules suck I'm only going to be doing 2 leg days with 19 hours on the ground in Moline gross.) Our performance numbers are terrible! (Lets do a 30 minute taxi and fly 250 the whole way to get overblock). At the end of the day we all talk a big game but when it comes to losing our job or working we will always back down. The reason being....seniority is everything. If you want to take a pay loss and quit go ahead. You can start at 24 dollars an hour working reserve somewhere else.
The only trick we have up our sleeve is that we are unable to fill new hire classes. With the demand of pilots increasing at the regional level as attrition rates increase the current pilot group could use that as leverage to get more pay.
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05-26-2013 | 05:28 AM
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Apples to Oranges. ExpressJet is not Comair. ExpressJet is not owned by Delta. History with Jerry has shown if you play ball you will prosper. If you don't, planes will continue to go to Skywest Airlines.
I have faith the union can get this contract done soon with very modest pay increases while retaining our QOL.
I have faith the union can get this contract done soon with very modest pay increases while retaining our QOL.
And what "history" do you speak of? Your 5 years at this company?
05-26-2013 | 05:47 AM
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What might be a modest pay raise to you could be a pay cut for me. A couple more bucks an hour for me with your 401k, medical, sick time, trip trading flexibility, soft time pay, etc. I am not voting for your modest pay raise so that I can lose any more money on this job. I turned down ASA back in 2006 when they were begging me to interview because their total compensation was not as good as places like XJT and AWAC (not to mention they were losing planes to SKW mainline). Stop thinking that singing a 3% raise is going to get you into a 175 by this time next year. Get married and have a kid and then lets see how cool you are with just a "modest" raise while our customers make record profits. The regional airlines are not viable business and we need to stop keeping these zombie companies alive with perpetual concessions. Take your modest pay raise and use it as you would toilet paper. I'd rather go unemployed then work under ASA's contract with a "modest" pay raise.
You better start filling out that resume of yours then because there is no way the company is going to give us anything other than a "modest" pay increase, if there is an increase at all. I think a lot of pilots on here would call it a win, if we were even able to keep the current pay rates, but just change some QOL issues that cost the company nothing. We make more than: TSA, Silver, PSA, Pinnacle, Piedmont, Mesa, Go-Jet, Compass, Commute Air, and Republic. We are on par with Eagle, Horizon, and Skywest all in terms of hourly pay.
Why do you think we should get or deserve a pay increase? People in this industry are always complaining about something. 6 leg days! Screw that! (Oh these new rest rules suck I'm only going to be doing 2 leg days with 19 hours on the ground in Moline gross.) Our performance numbers are terrible! (Lets do a 30 minute taxi and fly 250 the whole way to get overblock). At the end of the day we all talk a big game but when it comes to losing our job or working we will always back down. The reason being....seniority is everything. If you want to take a pay loss and quit go ahead. You can start at 24 dollars an hour working reserve somewhere else.
The only trick we have up our sleeve is that we are unable to fill new hire classes. With the demand of pilots increasing at the regional level as attrition rates increase the current pilot group could use that as leverage to get more pay.
Why do you think we should get or deserve a pay increase? People in this industry are always complaining about something. 6 leg days! Screw that! (Oh these new rest rules suck I'm only going to be doing 2 leg days with 19 hours on the ground in Moline gross.) Our performance numbers are terrible! (Lets do a 30 minute taxi and fly 250 the whole way to get overblock). At the end of the day we all talk a big game but when it comes to losing our job or working we will always back down. The reason being....seniority is everything. If you want to take a pay loss and quit go ahead. You can start at 24 dollars an hour working reserve somewhere else.
The only trick we have up our sleeve is that we are unable to fill new hire classes. With the demand of pilots increasing at the regional level as attrition rates increase the current pilot group could use that as leverage to get more pay.
Count on it.
05-26-2013 | 06:13 AM
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I don't know where it says I plan on retiring from here Capt. In fact I even wrote earlier in this forum about how I don't think we are going to be around much longer, as even you just mentioned.
All my point was about was that, I wouldn't expect a "modest" increase in pay.
If there is a following contract..........
I have a feeling with the way things are going ASA-XJT won't be around all that much longer (relative). With performance numbers in the tank, attrition only going to get worse, no new hires to fill classes, and aircraft leaving. It almost seems like the smart thing for Skywest to do is cut their losses and slowly start taking over our routes with E175. If anybody here listened to the Skywest earnings call, you probably heard one of the main investors asking "why is Skywest continually giving resources to the sister companies when they keep losing money and Skywest itself is posting profits." You could tell from their answer that they were kind of jumping around the question.
From a business standpoint it makes sense but I know they are trying to fulfill that "Super Regional" motto of theirs. Maybe others have better insight but that is just my opinion.
I have a feeling with the way things are going ASA-XJT won't be around all that much longer (relative). With performance numbers in the tank, attrition only going to get worse, no new hires to fill classes, and aircraft leaving. It almost seems like the smart thing for Skywest to do is cut their losses and slowly start taking over our routes with E175. If anybody here listened to the Skywest earnings call, you probably heard one of the main investors asking "why is Skywest continually giving resources to the sister companies when they keep losing money and Skywest itself is posting profits." You could tell from their answer that they were kind of jumping around the question.
From a business standpoint it makes sense but I know they are trying to fulfill that "Super Regional" motto of theirs. Maybe others have better insight but that is just my opinion.
All my point was about was that, I wouldn't expect a "modest" increase in pay.
05-26-2013 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony:1415963
What might be a modest pay raise to you could be a pay cut for me. A couple more bucks an hour for me with your 401k, medical, sick time, trip trading flexibility, soft time pay, etc. I am not voting for your modest pay raise so that I can lose any more money on this job. I turned down ASA back in 2006 when they were begging me to interview because their total compensation was not as good as places like XJT and AWAC (not to mention they were losing planes to SKW mainline). Stop thinking that singing a 3% raise is going to get you into a 175 by this time next year. Get married and have a kid and then lets see how cool you are with just a "modest" raise while our customers make record profits. The regional airlines are not viable business and we need to stop keeping these zombie companies alive with perpetual concessions. Take your modest pay raise and use it as you would toilet paper. I'd rather go unemployed then work under ASA's contract with a "modest" pay raise.
You better start filling out that resume of yours then because there is no way the company is going to give us anything other than a "modest" pay increase, if there is an increase at all. I think a lot of pilots on here would call it a win, if we were even able to keep the current pay rates, but just change some QOL issues that cost the company nothing. We make more than: TSA, Silver, PSA, Pinnacle, Piedmont, Mesa, Go-Jet, Compass, Commute Air, and Republic. We are on par with Eagle, Horizon, and Skywest all in terms of hourly pay.
Why do you think we should get or deserve a pay increase? People in this industry are always complaining about something. 6 leg days! Screw that! (Oh these new rest rules suck I'm only going to be doing 2 leg days with 19 hours on the ground in Moline gross.) Our performance numbers are terrible! (Lets do a 30 minute taxi and fly 250 the whole way to get overblock). At the end of the day we all talk a big game but when it comes to losing our job or working we will always back down. The reason being....seniority is everything. If you want to take a pay loss and quit go ahead. You can start at 24 dollars an hour working reserve somewhere else.
The only trick we have up our sleeve is that we are unable to fill new hire classes. With the demand of pilots increasing at the regional level as attrition rates increase the current pilot group could use that as leverage to get more pay.
Why do you think we should get or deserve a pay increase? People in this industry are always complaining about something. 6 leg days! Screw that! (Oh these new rest rules suck I'm only going to be doing 2 leg days with 19 hours on the ground in Moline gross.) Our performance numbers are terrible! (Lets do a 30 minute taxi and fly 250 the whole way to get overblock). At the end of the day we all talk a big game but when it comes to losing our job or working we will always back down. The reason being....seniority is everything. If you want to take a pay loss and quit go ahead. You can start at 24 dollars an hour working reserve somewhere else.
The only trick we have up our sleeve is that we are unable to fill new hire classes. With the demand of pilots increasing at the regional level as attrition rates increase the current pilot group could use that as leverage to get more pay.
Count on it.
I'm not going to jump into online banter about what pay increase we deserve for the next 10 pages. Besides PBS bidding systems and rest of the JCBA has been negotiated pretty quickly. I think the TA will be done soon and it will allow for growth while protecting what we have.
05-26-2013 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by cybourg10:1415866
Apples to Oranges. ExpressJet is not Comair. ExpressJet is not owned by Delta. History with Jerry has shown if you play ball you will prosper. If you don't, planes will continue to go to Skywest Airlines.
I have faith the union can get this contract done soon with very modest pay increases while retaining our QOL.
I have faith the union can get this contract done soon with very modest pay increases while retaining our QOL.
05-26-2013 | 06:48 AM
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Have you joined the L-XJT APC crowd and are demanding big raises now? Btw, I have the exact amount of experience working for Skywest Inc that you have Capt Tony. What scars you have from previous management is irrelevant.
I'm not going to jump into online banter about what pay increase we deserve for the next 10 pages. Besides PBS bidding systems and rest of the JCBA has been negotiated pretty quickly. I think the TA will be done soon and it will allow for growth while protecting what we have.
I'm not going to jump into online banter about what pay increase we deserve for the next 10 pages. Besides PBS bidding systems and rest of the JCBA has been negotiated pretty quickly. I think the TA will be done soon and it will allow for growth while protecting what we have.
05-26-2013 | 06:48 AM
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Have you joined the L-XJT APC crowd and are demanding big raises now? Btw, I have the exact amount of experience working for Skywest Inc that you have Capt Tony. What scars you have from previous management is irrelevant.
I'm not going to jump into online banter about what pay increase we deserve for the next 10 pages. Besides PBS bidding systems and rest of the JCBA has been negotiated pretty quickly. I think the TA will be done soon and it will allow for growth while protecting what we have.
I'm not going to jump into online banter about what pay increase we deserve for the next 10 pages. Besides PBS bidding systems and rest of the JCBA has been negotiated pretty quickly. I think the TA will be done soon and it will allow for growth while protecting what we have.
05-26-2013 | 07:39 AM
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I remember back in the day, Comair was in the end game of negotiations, and management parked an E170 on the CVG ramp for a dog and pony show. The pilots were told management was "very interested" in the airplane, and "could get it" except that they were currently not cost competitive for the award. The union worked with management to expedite the contract (took concessions), and as soon as the contract was signed, management turned around and told them they hadn't "won the award". The same will happen here.
You NEVER ever bid on phantom airplanes!
You NEVER ever bid on phantom airplanes!
I have faith the union can get this contract done soon with very modest pay increases while retaining our QOL.
What might be a modest pay raise to you could be a pay cut for me. A couple more bucks an hour for me with your 401k, medical, sick time, trip trading flexibility, soft time pay, etc. I am not voting for your modest pay raise so that I can lose any more money on this job. I turned down ASA back in 2006 when they were begging me to interview because their total compensation was not as good as places like XJT and AWAC (not to mention they were losing planes to SKW mainline). Stop thinking that singing a 3% raise is going to get you into a 175 by this time next year. Get married and have a kid and then lets see how cool you are with just a "modest" raise while our customers make record profits. The regional airlines are not viable business and we need to stop keeping these zombie companies alive with perpetual concessions. Take your modest pay raise and use it as you would toilet paper. I'd rather go unemployed then work under ASA's contract with a "modest" pay raise.
You better start filling out that resume of yours then because there is no way the company is going to give us anything other than a "modest" pay increase, if there is an increase at all. I think a lot of pilots on here would call it a win, if we were even able to keep the current pay rates, but just change some QOL issues that cost the company nothing. We make more than: TSA, Silver, PSA, Pinnacle, Piedmont, Mesa, Go-Jet, Compass, Commute Air, and Republic. We are on par with Eagle, Horizon, and Skywest all in terms of hourly pay.
Why do you think we should get or deserve a pay increase? People in this industry are always complaining about something. 6 leg days! Screw that! (Oh these new rest rules suck I'm only going to be doing 2 leg days with 19 hours on the ground in Moline gross.) Our performance numbers are terrible! (Lets do a 30 minute taxi and fly 250 the whole way to get overblock). At the end of the day we all talk a big game but when it comes to losing our job or working we will always back down. The reason being....seniority is everything. If you want to take a pay loss and quit go ahead. You can start at 24 dollars an hour working reserve somewhere else.
The only trick we have up our sleeve is that we are unable to fill new hire classes. With the demand of pilots increasing at the regional level as attrition rates increase the current pilot group could use that as leverage to get more pay.
A modest raise to the LXJT contract would the the equivalent to demanding huge pay raises for the ASA contract.
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