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Old 01-14-2015 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
1. How exactly are we "killing the company"?

2. If the software doesn't matter, why does your side demand a new untested software program that nobody else uses over a tried and tested software program that has multiple clients?
1. This entire fight was about protecting the top 5-10% QOL at ASA. If i have to explain this you havent been paying attention or worse you are buying into what your mec is saying without doing any critical thinking for yourself. You also voted yes for the last TA which had this PBS agreement in there so why the problem now? Other contracts have been signed elsewhere limiting the pay guide to 12 yr CA and 4 yr FO which means the mother of all "outliers" is now the amount of lifers on the crj list. Welcome back to reality. You work for a regional!

2. Demand a new software? The ASA MEC was presented about 5 different solutions to end this reasonably and fairly and yet here you are. They aren't willing to consider it, didn't want to educate themselves on it, and believed that they would be rewarded by management for making the erj side appear unwilling to negotiate. They weren't negotiating in good faith and even though this PBS agreement is done it will just roll to the next issue that is on the list. Flightline is an old, outdated software that doesn't fit the needs of 2/3 of the combined pilot group. The erj side did their homework and picked their software carefully. Having their opposition still posting half truths and attacking the software based on incorrect assumptions is petty and ignorant. I don't have a very high view of anything down in Atlanta based on our management while I worked at xjt but this spectacle with your MEC is truly embarrassing.
Old 01-14-2015 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Well according to Newarkblows, you should be called out for your stupidity... Go back and read what he said about the software.

I'm just stating what the xjt MEC said. We will soon find out if they are correct on this.

Originally Posted by AtlCSIP
I was going to respond, but having read your stuff for a long time, it is obvious that you really don't get it. You have no idea what I have or have not done, nor who I have or have not spoken to, so your accusations are baseless. You appear, unfortunately, hopeless, and if you are representative of the ERJ side, our company is as well.

Wait, what accusations? You are the one who talked about unity as if the xjt MEC are the ones who pushed this issue to arbitration. Your MEC lost and on the same day they put out another half truth immaculate video about smartpref. Where is the unity in that?

The issue is resolved now. Both sides should just move on now and present us a non-concessionary TA.

Originally Posted by PeezDog
How can you not take it personal when the other pilot group wants to take away your QOL? I take it pretty personally

What is it you don't get that you keep flight line for the duration of a JCBA. If smartpref is as horrible as you make it out to be and flight line as the nirvana you make it out to be, the issue will take care of itself. If there is no JCBA then you keep flight line in perpetuity. So what's the problem?
Old 01-14-2015 | 01:30 PM
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Where is ExpressJet training conducted? Do they do sims in a variety of places like a lot of airlines are doing these days?
Old 01-14-2015 | 01:46 PM
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On a lighter note, did you all see the email from the company titled 'cost to carry"? I hope you write them one of the best ways to save fuel without jeopardizing safety is to have EFB and carry 60lbs less per flight!
Old 01-14-2015 | 02:03 PM
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Nevets must be an autonomous robot that was programmed by the XTJ MEC to continually repeat its self and argue the same point over and over again, then ask what's the problem. It also has the capability to scour other threads and tell everyone how much better the L-XJT contract is and make sure they understand that they work for a sub par, bottom feeding regional airline, and that XJT is the greatest regional airline to ever navigate the skies. It obviously cannot comprehend why some oppose a divided contract however, or form rational thoughts of its own

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Old 01-14-2015 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ysslah
On a lighter note, did you all see the email from the company titled 'cost to carry"? I hope you write them one of the best ways to save fuel without jeopardizing safety is to have EFB and carry 60lbs less per flight!
Limiting the flight attendants to carrying only *half* of their worldly possessions on a trip would also save a lot of L-Bs.
Old 01-14-2015 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by John2375
Where is ExpressJet training conducted? Do they do sims in a variety of places like a lot of airlines are doing these days?
XJT is in IAH for ground school. The sims are likely to be in IAH at the XJT training center. They have in the past sent people to HOU, CVG, STL, and a few other places when the in-house sims were full.

ASA is in ATL. I assume it's all done at ATL Flight Safety, but I'm sure they've sent people to others in the past.
Old 01-14-2015 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PeezDog
Nevets must be an autonomous robot that was programmed by the XTJ MEC to continually repeat its self and argue the same point over and over again, then ask what's the problem. It also has the capability to scour other threads and tell everyone how much better the L-XJT contract is and make sure they understand that they work for a sub par, bottom feeding regional airline, and that XJT is the greatest regional airline to ever navigate the skies. It obviously cannot comprehend why some oppose a divided contract however, or form rational thoughts of its own

Well, others keep saying the same thing over and over again so I just repeat my reply back to them. I don't favor separate contracts if we could bring the ASA one up to ours but you guys seem to think that will never happen. So yeah, I oppose 2/3 of the pilots taking concessions just for the sake of combining operations. I don't understand how hard that is for you guys to comprehend.

As for contract comparisons with TSA, I'm just pointing out to them that theirs is average, not above average as many of their pilots are claiming. It's no different than how you guys felt towards your contract before the merger. If people think their contract is above average when it's not, then they will most likely settle for less. Kind of the way you guys are with wanting us to give up the good parts of our contract just to get a deal done.
Old 01-14-2015 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by IDIOTPILOT
XJT is in IAH for ground school. The sims are likely to be in IAH at the XJT training center. They have in the past sent people to HOU, CVG, STL, and a few other places when the in-house sims were full.

ASA is in ATL. I assume it's all done at ATL Flight Safety, but I'm sure they've sent people to others in the past.
Thanks..
I didn't realize ASA and ExpressJet had separate training locations...
Old 01-14-2015 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
As for contract comparisons with TSA, I'm just pointing out to them that theirs is average, not above average as many of their pilots are claiming. It's no different than how you guys felt towards your contract before the merger. If people think their contract is above average when it's not, then they will most likely settle for less. Kind of the way you guys are with wanting us to give up the good parts of our contract just to get a deal done.
Is TSA's contract average or below average? Because about a month ago you said it was below average. Now you say it's average. So which is it? Does it change by the month depending on what you just arbitrarily deem as being average? I'd like to know what sort of scientific metric you use to measure a regional contract as being average.

Is TSA's contract that was below average at the end of November now average because Envoy's contract isn't as good as it was then? I'm just really curious about this. I'm not trying to give you a hard time.
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