A six day strike is a quick strike. I agree with the above poster, it won't be several weeks or three months. Based on what?? An educated guess with the money and stakeholders involved. I have 3 months out of work prep money but it would be used for holding out, it'll be used to find a job overseas. Hainan Airlines is now paying almost 500k/year. Gotta live in Beijing, though. And wear a PEB all the time.

 

PBE....trying to type without my reading glasses...

 

So just taking a look at F9 but a few things.

1. How long on rsv in ORD ?

2. Can someone post up their schedule as apparently there are allot of redeyes so just trying to get an idea of whats what. Preferably from the 1 year 2 year guy/gal

3. As well are the overnights really all at the airport ie no downtown no nice overnights etc? Just makes me think its a real go to work and get done slam click culture which of course has other repercussions in QOL.

thanks

 

I think you are putting too much stock in anonymous forum posts. There are quite a few very decent overnights, and some absolutely unacceptable overnights. Not unlike most regional carriers, most are just ok (IMO). It's another thing in need of fixing. Some people like other things than I like about hotels, so they are obviously unhappy.
A bunch of forum posters take the extreme view. They are venting a lot of built up frustration that many of us feel. But most of us like the job, and like each other. Yes we're tired of contract violations and low relative pay. I'd say 90% of us are ready to do what we must to fix it (mgmt speak no other language than money, so only money will bring them to the negotiating table. Striking seems to be our only option). But we are NOT a slam click culture. I like going out with our crews.
[edit: juniors will fly many red eyes, seniors still seem to get stuck flying them occasionally, and middlings probably average 1-5/month (very ballpark figures)]

 

1. No way to tell. Hiring dependent and that is subject to rapid change. Plan on at least a few months as of now.

2. Cannot post a sched, however I can tell you that the Jr folks are doing most of the red eyes, Sr folks can avoid them if they really want to. There is a ton of red eye flying and many involve multiple body clock swaps within the footprint of the pairing. They BLOW!!!

3. Not completely sure what you're saying in the first part of you question, but most overnights really suck. We have a few nice hotels in the system, however the company is actively trying to get rid of them for cheaper alternatives. Unfortunately, due to the nature of so much of the flying, it seems that recently the slam/click culture has taken over. Everyone is really tired from both the schedules and the crap.

To summarize...go elsewhere. We have some amazing people that you'll work with, but so does every other carrier out there. This is not the corporate environment from which you'd like to be starting a job. Most of our peers at other airlines are experiencing pride and prosperity. F9er's are dealing with operational nightmares (the Co partly blames the pilot group), shame, and a management team that shows ineptitude and carelessness. As I said above, go elsewhere and avoid F9.

 

I saw stuff from a friend like you go from Den to a west coast city late PM and then fly to a Eastern city get there early AM. So you're on duty basically somewhere from 6pm to 6am. Sleep during the day and fly out that day again late PM.

 

Been here less than a year. Was hired during upgrades and expansion both of which have slowed this summer (typical during summer months). So my experience may not be reflective of someone hired today.

1) Based in ORD within six months, two months RSV and have been a line holder all summer averaging 17 off. One of the months I was on RSV I was only used two days...which was awesome since I live in base!

2) Haven't flown a redeye since first week of July. I'm pretty darn good at swapping trips in open time which have netted me more days off and no redeyes for August. Not bad for a Junior guy...so its possible.

3) Look, the hotels are fine. Not great. Not terrible. Everybody has different tastes. Whatever, I make it work. I guess I'm the "go to work and knock it out kinda guy." Productivity is more important to me than knocking back drinks and chasing skirt on an overnight. That being said, I've already had more than a few crazy overnights here!

And a few more things. The people are great to work with. The training was awesome and laid back. The Bus is great to fly. Pay will improve with the new contract and suddenly F9 will be the place to be. I have no complaints but I've worked hard all my life and came here with eyes wide open knowing that the short term is painful but the long term will be great. Also, F9 is growing rapidly and with that comes growing pains...that's typical to every business.

Hope that helps.

 

Would agree with most of what was said above with the exception of hotels. For the most part they are subpar compared to where I stayed in ANY of my previous careers flying. Most people slam clack here since they are fried and on min rest and the on top of that they have to fight for a refrigerator or a room that isn't on the first floor and facing a super loud road or had been infested with bed bugs within the week. Luckily we have some new peeps in charge of hotels on the union side and I know things will get better but mark my words unlike the above has posted the hotels suck for the most part here and we are definitely treated like and given rooms that second class citizens get.

 

With just less than a year here I haven't had a red eye since IOE.

As far as hotels I don't get what some people are looking for.
These are damn layover hotels not hotels you stay at on vacation.
I will say every hotel I've stayed at with F9 was also a crew hotel for another airline.
AA, DAL, Spirit, Alegiant, Atlas, JetBlue and UPS. Those are all crews I've talked to while laying over at the hotels F9 provides on layovers.

They must all be miserable also.
Some people will ***** regardless.

 

What money involved? How much would it cost Indigo? How much COH does Indigo have?