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Old 04-15-2023, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by avi8orco View Post
That was brought up by the union recently. The company is approaching the point of having no choice but to pursue RATP pilots. Nobody qualified and holding a full ATP is coming here without a good reason to when they can go to the usual suspects with the ink still wet on their certificates.
I think they dropped the ball with 1st year pay when a lot of short sighted regional pilots will see it as taking a pay cut for a "non legacy"... especially when you consider COL of our bases
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Old 04-15-2023, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by avi8orco View Post
That was brought up by the union recently. The company is approaching the point of having no choice but to pursue RATP pilots. Nobody qualified and holding a full ATP is coming here without a good reason to when they can go to the usual suspects with the ink still wet on their certificates.
Can't blame people for not coming here. Less bases, ruined pairings, no profit sharing. Don't get me wrong, I think JB COULD compete for pilots, could be attractive, could create the circumstances where their own pilots became their greatest recruiting team, but they have certainly not done what it would take.
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Old 04-15-2023, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
Can't blame people for not coming here. Less bases, ruined pairings, no profit sharing. Don't get me wrong, I think JB COULD compete for pilots, could be attractive, could create the circumstances where their own pilots became their greatest recruiting team, but they have certainly not done what it would take.

and that campers is a bingo.
Iím sure the company does not go hmmmmm why wonít they come here, they just go ok letís find RATPs instead.


They basically make it easy to not come here and easy to leave.
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Old 04-15-2023, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
Can't blame people for not coming here. Less bases, ruined pairings, no profit sharing. Don't get me wrong, I think JB COULD compete for pilots, could be attractive, could create the circumstances where their own pilots became their greatest recruiting team, but they have certainly not done what it would take.
To be fair, new hires have no clue about pairings or even profit sharing lol. Bases, yes, thatís a critical component. But the reality is legacies offer more career expectations, and theyíre literally handing out jobs like candy. There is no real standards or quals anymore. Interviews are a joke compared to the past. JetBlue is a good job, but why come here when you can work at Delta. Itís an unprecedented era in aviation that weíll probably never see again. Itís not gonna last forever though.
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Old 04-15-2023, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins View Post
To be fair, new hires have no clue about pairings or even profit sharing lol. Bases, yes, thatís a critical component. But the reality is legacies offer more career expectations, and theyíre literally handing out jobs like candy. There is no real standards or quals anymore. Interviews are a joke compared to the past. JetBlue is a good job, but why come here when you can work at Delta. Itís an unprecedented era in aviation that weíll probably never see again. Itís not gonna last forever though.
My point was, the lack of pairing QOL and the lack of profit sharing, in part, certainly don't make most of us try and convince people to come here. Or when other pilots ask our overall opinion of a career at JB, if we're being honest, we would mention those things, among many others. And newbies do read these boards and hear our gripes. WAs you point out, there are things we just can't compete with, and the things that are within our control, the airline doesn't offer what they COULD. Better pairings (like we used to have) are a better QOL. Profit Sharing on an average year is tens of thousands of dollars that a newbie is forfeiting if he/she chooses JB over every other major.

To the extent that JB pilots could be helping recruit, generally we aren't because, in part, the items I mentioned.
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Old 04-23-2023, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Vmo plus 10 View Post
Nope, not true, there's 21 in my class. About 6 got the A320, 4 or 5 in the 220, and the remainder in the 190. One LAX, the rest JFK and BOS.
Hey guys. I live in North east CT and have an interview in 2 weeks. I was wondering how Bases are awarded in trianing... Could I reasonably expect Boston? Also how are the equipment decisions made? I'm 47 so if by age it might help a bit
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Old 04-23-2023, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Ruuds44 View Post
Hey guys. I live in North east CT and have an interview in 2 weeks. I was wondering how Bases are awarded in trianing... Could I reasonably expect Boston? Also how are the equipment decisions made? I'm 47 so if by age it might help a bit
You can absolutely reasonably expect Boston. You may be on the 190 or 220, but realistically you could probably even get 320 in Boston if it's offered at age 47.
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Old 04-23-2023, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Roy Biggins View Post
To be fair, new hires have no clue about pairings or even profit sharing lol. Bases, yes, thatís a critical component. But the reality is legacies offer more career expectations, and theyíre literally handing out jobs like candy. There is no real standards or quals anymore. Interviews are a joke compared to the past. JetBlue is a good job, but why come here when you can work at Delta. Itís an unprecedented era in aviation that weíll probably never see again. Itís not gonna last forever though.
I think many/most new hires know about profit sharing and look into pairing constructions in their preferred bases. They at least read these boards to get a feel. I sure did.
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Old 04-25-2023, 05:17 AM
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27 pilots gone so far for April

22 of them were 2022 hires
1 2021 hire
1 2019 hire
3 retirements (02,02,04)
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Old 04-25-2023, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 View Post
27 pilots gone so far for April

22 of them were 2022 hires
1 2021 hire
1 2019 hire
3 retirements (02,02,04)
Thanks for doing the work, appreciate the info.
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