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#8291
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
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Do you have to be a Richard? I was disagreeing without making it personal.
And unless you explain further, I do not think I'm missing the point. I said that the data change showing less overtime being worked alone is not enough. And that is correct.
And unless you explain further, I do not think I'm missing the point. I said that the data change showing less overtime being worked alone is not enough. And that is correct.
#8292
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 322
Listen to what some of you are saying...to paraphrase:
"I know that what I want to do is illegal, but I don't care because I don't think there will be consequences."
Then you'll turn around 5 minutes later and complain that the company violates the CBA because they don't think there will be consequences.
Either principles matter, or they don't. If they don't matter to you, then stop complaining about the company pushing the limits of the CBA. Be consistent.
"I know that what I want to do is illegal, but I don't care because I don't think there will be consequences."
Then you'll turn around 5 minutes later and complain that the company violates the CBA because they don't think there will be consequences.
Either principles matter, or they don't. If they don't matter to you, then stop complaining about the company pushing the limits of the CBA. Be consistent.
#8293
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 591
Listen to what some of you are saying...to paraphrase:
"I know that what I want to do is illegal, but I don't care because I don't think there will be consequences."
Then you'll turn around 5 minutes later and complain that the company violates the CBA because they don't think there will be consequences.
Either principle matter, or they don't. If they don't matter to you, then stop complaining about the company pushing the limits of the CBA. Be consistent.
"I know that what I want to do is illegal, but I don't care because I don't think there will be consequences."
Then you'll turn around 5 minutes later and complain that the company violates the CBA because they don't think there will be consequences.
Either principle matter, or they don't. If they don't matter to you, then stop complaining about the company pushing the limits of the CBA. Be consistent.
That is 'good business' or management. The process is deliberate and long toward a determination of what is lawful or not.
Not a poster on the bulletin board saying like a kindergartner "you cheated".
To not use the ENTIRE process toward determining if and action is unlawful or lawful is giving away the store and disarming this group.
They know it and so do you.
#8294
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,206
The other side uses the entire legal process to determine what is unlawful or lawful. It's a sport!
That is 'good business' or management. The process is deliberate and long toward a determination of what is lawful or not.
Not a poster on the bulletin board saying like a kindergartner "you cheated".
To not use the ENTIRE process toward determining if and action is unlawful or lawful is giving away the store and disarming this group.
They know it and so do you.
That is 'good business' or management. The process is deliberate and long toward a determination of what is lawful or not.
Not a poster on the bulletin board saying like a kindergartner "you cheated".
To not use the ENTIRE process toward determining if and action is unlawful or lawful is giving away the store and disarming this group.
They know it and so do you.
#8295
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 591
How would you do that?
Self declare?
The first step in the process is a hearing after which the judge orders the union to write a letter to tell the group to stop doing whatever the courts thinks the group is doing.
You wildcatting is way down the line and you being held personally accountable is even further down the line.
Self declare?
The first step in the process is a hearing after which the judge orders the union to write a letter to tell the group to stop doing whatever the courts thinks the group is doing.
You wildcatting is way down the line and you being held personally accountable is even further down the line.
#8296
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,860
#8297
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Posts: 1,206
#8299
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,860
Entirely as an example, if Southerner normally picks up 1-2 OT shifts per month and then during the next labor dispute, should the company decide to stall and play games, Southerner's ***personal GAS meter*** pegges full "Empty", would you consider it an "illegal job action" (specifically something you won't do?) to simply be off on your designated "off" days?
#8300
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: Back in right seat
Posts: 206
No, that's not what I thought you were saying. I also try not to specifically "call" for an illegal job action in permanent 1's & 0's.
Entirely as an example, if Southerner normally picks up 1-2 OT shifts per month and then during the next labor dispute, should the company decide to stall and play games, Southerner's ***personal GAS meter*** pegges full "Empty", would you consider it an "illegal job action" (specifically something you won't do?) to simply be off on your designated "off" days?
Entirely as an example, if Southerner normally picks up 1-2 OT shifts per month and then during the next labor dispute, should the company decide to stall and play games, Southerner's ***personal GAS meter*** pegges full "Empty", would you consider it an "illegal job action" (specifically something you won't do?) to simply be off on your designated "off" days?
In short, just stop the job action posts
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