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#531
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Standing in front of the tank with a shopping bag
Posts: 908

121 regional guy looking for a change and a 15/13 schedule. What is a typical day like, any info is good, like is it min rest and 12 hour days? Am i cleaning and vacuuming the airplane myself? Can I get reasonably health food while working? Are the passengers reasonable to work with?
Like everybody else said, the cleaning is just basic stuff where we treat the jet like it is our own or just like our own car.. When our passengers deplane, we do a quick vacuum if it needs it. We will give the tables a quick wipe, and give the toilet a quick flush to see if it smells OK, LOL.. So sure, we do a little cleaning, but I don’t feel that my dignity has been compromised any more than it is when I am at home cleaning up after 4 dogs, kids, etc..
As far as working hard, they say that we work less than some of our competitors, but less than others.. So we are somewhere in the middle. Min rest nights? Absolutely.. This rotation, we had two min rest days (Under 11 hours of rest) in a row, but got additional rest because of it. How hard you work here is also fleet dependent, where the Excels and smaller often do more legs than the Super mids and bigger.
It’s a pretty fun gig…

#532

Hey Breeze,
Like everybody else said, the cleaning is just basic stuff where we treat the jet like it is our own or just like our own car.. When our passengers deplane, we do a quick vacuum if it needs it. We will give the tables a quick wipe, and give the toilet a quick flush to see if it smells OK, LOL.. So sure, we do a little cleaning, but I don’t feel that my dignity has been compromised any more than it is when I am at home cleaning up after 4 dogs, kids, etc..
As far as working hard, they say that we work less than some of our competitors, but less than others.. So we are somewhere in the middle. Min rest nights? Absolutely.. This rotation, we had two min rest days (Under 11 hours of rest) in a row, but got additional rest because of it. How hard you work here is also fleet dependent, where the Excels and smaller often do more legs than the Super mids and bigger.
It’s a pretty fun gig…
Like everybody else said, the cleaning is just basic stuff where we treat the jet like it is our own or just like our own car.. When our passengers deplane, we do a quick vacuum if it needs it. We will give the tables a quick wipe, and give the toilet a quick flush to see if it smells OK, LOL.. So sure, we do a little cleaning, but I don’t feel that my dignity has been compromised any more than it is when I am at home cleaning up after 4 dogs, kids, etc..
As far as working hard, they say that we work less than some of our competitors, but less than others.. So we are somewhere in the middle. Min rest nights? Absolutely.. This rotation, we had two min rest days (Under 11 hours of rest) in a row, but got additional rest because of it. How hard you work here is also fleet dependent, where the Excels and smaller often do more legs than the Super mids and bigger.
It’s a pretty fun gig…
#533
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Joined APC: Aug 2018
Posts: 106

I’m pretty sure I read that- like other 135 gigs you don’t choose the plane you start in so how do you move to another other than upgrading? I assume there’s a seat lock? I see there are payscale differences so why would someone want to Captain the small jet at a lower pay than the mids and large cabin? It’s been advertised that “upgrading” isn’t just seniority based so how do you get into the plane that meets your long-term income goals? TIA
#534
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 169

I’m pretty sure I read that- like other 135 gigs you don’t choose the plane you start in so how do you move to another other than upgrading? I assume there’s a seat lock? I see there are payscale differences so why would someone want to Captain the small jet at a lower pay than the mids and large cabin? It’s been advertised that “upgrading” isn’t just seniority based so how do you get into the plane that meets your long-term income goals? TIA
#535

Current rules go something like this, when such positions to upgrade become available the position is solicited internally. Those that apply will be chosen based on seniority. The requirements include a 24 month training contract and the expectation to remain dual qualified on your current airframe.
#536
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Begging for a crew meal
Posts: 231

Current rules go something like this, when such positions to upgrade become available the position is solicited internally. Those that apply will be chosen based on seniority. The requirements include a 24 month training contract and the expectation to remain dual qualified on your current airframe.
#537
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Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 169

Yes, Don’t forget the .297 and .299 for each plane/year. Personally this is a deterrent to change airframes, not so much the contract, but the dual qualified part I have an issue with. It could be months between different airframes and it becomes a safety issue in my opinion. You’re better off due to our bonus structure to keep flying, rather than training to make more $$. Perhaps this design is intentional. If you want a particular plane ask for it in your interview.
#538
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 169
#539

Yes, Don’t forget the .297 and .299 for each plane/year. Personally this is a deterrent to change airframes, not so much the contract, but the dual qualified part I have an issue with. It could be months between different airframes and it becomes a safety issue in my opinion. You’re better off due to our bonus structure to keep flying, rather than training to make more $$. Perhaps this design is intentional. If you want a particular plane ask for it in your interview.
Well then that begs the question- looking ahead, you ask for a particular plane that you want to upgrade in vs jumping fleets to avoid this duel qualified situation: is there a difference in upgrade time in an XL/CJ3 vs the X or Sovereign? I personally could not care less what plane I fly but I’d rather make the extra money after upgrade that the super mids offer than the lights for doing the same job. TIA
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