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04-21-2016 | 03:32 PM
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04-21-2016 | 03:32 PM
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No way will flow be 6 years. They tried to tell me that lie as well. It's simple math, nearly 1200 pilots, flow is 5 per month (except June and July when it's 2) so 60 a year. That's 20 years. Let's double the 60 a year for other attrition. 120 a year. Still 10 years, not 6. Heck lets triple it for the sake of fairy tales. That's 180 a year. Still 6.7 years.
Recruiters live in a world of lies and imagination. Be very careful before you accept their koolaid and promises of a spaceship ride.
04-21-2016 | 04:51 PM
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Apparently that 6 years to flow number includes some generous assumptions regarding attrition, which quite frankly aren't too hard to believe. While I can't conscience telling a potential recruit that it's going to be a 6.5 year flow, or whatever they're trying towel these days, it would also be true that to say 5 a month and 1200 people senior to you is a wildly inaccurate number as well.
Bottom line: no one knows what the next several years holds. I have my theories, and none of them include new hires waiting 20 years to flow to mainline.
Bottom line: no one knows what the next several years holds. I have my theories, and none of them include new hires waiting 20 years to flow to mainline.
04-21-2016 | 04:56 PM
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According to AA/PSA management the flow is so amazing everyone was supposed to beat down the door to get here and would never want to leave. And then they tell you in recruiting events that the only way the flow works is if there is attrition. What they conveniently leave out is that the majority of the pilots will need to leave and not flow for it to work. No one can pinpoint the flow. It won't matter in a few years anyway.
04-21-2016 | 06:00 PM
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From: Airbus FO
Also, as previously mentioned, Ive flown with a few guys who were hired in 07, and they say they should be flowing in the next 12 months. So, it would seem the flow is somewhere around 10 years right now.. give or take of course.
04-21-2016 | 07:05 PM
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The latest flows from PSA were hired in 2005. So it currently stands at 11 years. As I recall the latest Envoy flows were in the 15-16 year range.
No one's coming to PSA for flow. No one's coming for our next-to-lowest pay, (just above Mesa). If they can do rudimentary math, no one's coming for a quick upgrade either! And unless they happen to live in CLT, DAY, TYS, or CVG, they're not coming because of our bases. In truth, I have no idea why anyone's coming here.
No one's coming to PSA for flow. No one's coming for our next-to-lowest pay, (just above Mesa). If they can do rudimentary math, no one's coming for a quick upgrade either! And unless they happen to live in CLT, DAY, TYS, or CVG, they're not coming because of our bases. In truth, I have no idea why anyone's coming here.
The 10-12 year flow is worthless. You can get to American quicker on your own .Just leave the wo ,wait 6months,network, attend job fairs and keep your nose clean. You don't have to wait 10-15 years for the flow. They just want you to stay there and keep providing cheap lift.
If Psa could staff 500 planes they would get them because they are cheap lift, which parker loves. More cash in his pocket.
They want you at the wo as long as they can,more beneficial for them,not you.
04-21-2016 | 08:04 PM
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04-21-2016 | 10:11 PM
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Upgrades are not happening at 1000. As someone else stated, expect 2 years at least, IF we start upgrading again anytime this year, IF the company can somehow stem attrition from the FO side, and IF we don't defer anymore aircraft deliveries.
No way will flow be 6 years. They tried to tell me that lie as well. It's simple math, nearly 1200 pilots, flow is 5 per month (except June and July when it's 2) so 60 a year. That's 20 years. Let's double the 60 a year for other attrition. 120 a year. Still 10 years, not 6. Heck lets triple it for the sake of fairy tales. That's 180 a year. Still 6.7 years.
Recruiters live in a world of lies and imagination. Be very careful before you accept their koolaid and promises of a spaceship ride.
No way will flow be 6 years. They tried to tell me that lie as well. It's simple math, nearly 1200 pilots, flow is 5 per month (except June and July when it's 2) so 60 a year. That's 20 years. Let's double the 60 a year for other attrition. 120 a year. Still 10 years, not 6. Heck lets triple it for the sake of fairy tales. That's 180 a year. Still 6.7 years.
Recruiters live in a world of lies and imagination. Be very careful before you accept their koolaid and promises of a spaceship ride.
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