Components of company's proposal to ENY MEC
10-31-2014, 09:45 AM
#82
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
...and if there was any doubt you're a detriment to airline pilots and this profession, there isn't any more. SOME unions, yes, but this industry would collapse without them. Even WITH a contract, most companies abuse their unionized employees and frequently (almost daily) disregard agreements they make. Back before unions, commercial aviation had a greater than 50% mortality rate and a "fly or your fired" philosophy by unsympathetic managers. One can imagine if no unions existed at all and they still had free reign with no restraint.
God, what a disaster.
So long pal...........and please let us know your last day so that we may at least breathe a little sigh of relief. Rome wasn't built in a day and every cracked brick like you still here makes our foundation that much weaker.
God, what a disaster.
So long pal...........and please let us know your last day so that we may at least breathe a little sigh of relief. Rome wasn't built in a day and every cracked brick like you still here makes our foundation that much weaker.
10-31-2014, 10:00 AM
#83
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Originally Posted by Shiner
I think they're back due to attrition. The busy holiday season is coming up and this place is shrinking faster than they want. We've lost well over 80 guys in the last month alone and almost everyone I talk to that isn't within 2 years of flowing is working to get out of here. PSA and PDT can only grow so fast.
I think they are losing control of the shrink and that's why they are back.
I think they are losing control of the shrink and that's why they are back.
There is no way they could hire and train enough to have any significant effect on staffing in time for the holiday season.
For people to want to come work here there are things that MUST happen, one is new aircraft on property (not a promise, it needs to be tangible airframes). Another is cessation of pullback. Nobody wants to work somewhere being chased by displacements and base closures. And lastly, the flow MUST work. New airframes and stable bases are meaningless unless there is upward movement.
Overall, staffing may be a concern, but there's no quick solution.
10-31-2014, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
The mortality rates at meat packing plants, auto plants, etc were much higher prior to unionization as well. Unions served their purpose and forced federal regulations to protect workers. It's time unions faded in to the history books as all they do now is cost jobs.
That is probably the biggest reason this profession's situation is what it is and among the fundamental reasons young people avoid this profession. If unions were suddenly abolished in this industry, I'll bet such a large percentage would leave it in such short order, the industry would collapse.
When's your last day ?
10-31-2014, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Shiner
I think they're back due to attrition. The busy holiday season is coming up and this place is shrinking faster than they want. We've lost well over 80 guys in the last month alone and almost everyone I talk to that isn't within 2 years of flowing is working to get out of here. PSA and PDT can only grow so fast.
I think they are losing control of the shrink and that's why they are back. If they can get us to agree to a cut rate deal, that's just icing on the cake. But they are mostly hoping that talking will slow the attrition until they can get PSA and PDT up to speed. Hopefully guys will see the writing on the wall and even if a deal is struck, we are all better off getting out of here.
I think they are losing control of the shrink and that's why they are back. If they can get us to agree to a cut rate deal, that's just icing on the cake. But they are mostly hoping that talking will slow the attrition until they can get PSA and PDT up to speed. Hopefully guys will see the writing on the wall and even if a deal is struck, we are all better off getting out of here.
10-31-2014, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
........... but there's no quick solution.
That will be bad tidings for all employees at AA as well as shareholders. It's laughable that anyone could think they'll solve the REAL problem by only making the regionals even MORE undesirable for pilots, but alas, apparently some remain clueless. Oh well, let's hope Doug figures that out too before AA slams into the terrain.
10-31-2014, 10:41 AM
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I almost Don't want to say this in public, but I don't think it will have an effect on current negotiations.
We almost had a deal this past summer. We were very close and it tanked because of Jerry Glass. Well, primarily because of Jerry Glass although there were other small factors.
Now the company is back because they realize how stupid it is to NOT make a deal with Envoy just because of minor contractual language. That was the hang up this past summer.
They realize-or are under the impression-that a deal with the current MEC is possible provided an agreement is made in regards to certain language. That is a minor and rather dumb reason to NOT try and make a deal.
We almost had a deal this past summer. We were very close and it tanked because of Jerry Glass. Well, primarily because of Jerry Glass although there were other small factors.
Now the company is back because they realize how stupid it is to NOT make a deal with Envoy just because of minor contractual language. That was the hang up this past summer.
They realize-or are under the impression-that a deal with the current MEC is possible provided an agreement is made in regards to certain language. That is a minor and rather dumb reason to NOT try and make a deal.
10-31-2014, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by embraer
I almost Don't want to say this in public, but I don't think it will have an effect on current negotiations.
We almost had a deal this past summer. We were very close and it tanked because of Jerry Glass. Well, primarily because of Jerry Glass although there were other small factors.
Now the company is back because they realize how stupid it is to NOT make a deal with Envoy just because of minor contractual language. That was the hang up this past summer.
They realize-or are under the impression-that a deal with the current MEC is possible provided an agreement is made in regards to certain language. That is a minor and rather dumb reason to NOT try and make a deal.
We almost had a deal this past summer. We were very close and it tanked because of Jerry Glass. Well, primarily because of Jerry Glass although there were other small factors.
Now the company is back because they realize how stupid it is to NOT make a deal with Envoy just because of minor contractual language. That was the hang up this past summer.
They realize-or are under the impression-that a deal with the current MEC is possible provided an agreement is made in regards to certain language. That is a minor and rather dumb reason to NOT try and make a deal.
Eaglefly: ALPA only protects the jobs of people who shouldn't have them in the first place. Choke a flight attendant or run around a hotel room naked and they'll get your job back. Be productive and unified on a national level? No way.
10-31-2014, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
The last deal was killed because of Igou and Kyle, sorry to burst your bubble.
Eaglefly: ALPA only protects the jobs of people who shouldn't have them in the first place. Choke a flight attendant or run around a hotel room naked and they'll get your job back. Be productive and unified on a national level? No way.
Eaglefly: ALPA only protects the jobs of people who shouldn't have them in the first place. Choke a flight attendant or run around a hotel room naked and they'll get your job back. Be productive and unified on a national level? No way.
Why do you keep ignoring my reply to your rising healthcare cost excuse?
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