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Old 11-04-2012 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
Ahem...you get what you want first time around with line bidding...if your SENIORITY allows it. What is hard about this guys!?
Ahem..you get your first choice of what the company built the first time around...I get what I want the first time around, not my first choice of pre built lines. I used to get my first choice of lines during line bidding, and I would much rather get my first choice of trips. Comes in especially handy during holiday months.

This Thanksgiving, I did better than I ever did with line bidding. I was able to build a week off around Thanksgiving. One of two weeks off during the month. That would have never happened with line bidding.

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And explain how that would work!? You sit down and make a schedule and give each guy a five-minute crack at open time based on seniority order? Sounds more ludicrous than the ILIW if you ask me.
Really? Our initial open time has ALWAYS been seniority based. It's really quite simple. You have 12 hour windows during open time where requests are honored based on SENIORITY. Foreign concept I understand....but that's how we roll on the LASA side....
Old 11-04-2012 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
20 days off at 60 credit! What an awesome schedule! Yippie for you! This summer I was holding schedules with 18 days off and 88 credit.

Sorry but the whole concept of run to the computer improvement window for a 24 hour period where only the first "1-15 minutes" is important is BEYOND ridiculous.
You're comparing your summer schedule (peak flying) to his winter schedule? I don't think that's a valid comparison.
Old 11-04-2012 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Our PBS is seniority driven. First guy builds his own line with all the trips that are in the bid package. Second guy builds his with the trips that are left over after the first guy bids...and so on down the line.

It's really not difficult to learn the system, however I can see how it might test your skill level....

And then BLAMO...global constraints hit and now your perfect commuter schedule has a day trip on it randomly with an early show and late release. And forget out trading that away, because there isn't anything in open time to trade with. Yeah, sounds amazing. Where do I sign up?

It will be later then...and the growth will most likely be with CRJ aircraft...
Didn't realize a 2:1 swap of 200s for 7/900s was considered growth...
Old 11-04-2012 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
Didn't realize a 2:1 swap of 200s for 7/900s was considered growth...
Many of the 200 aircraft are going to end up with American paint....United 700s and 900s will be of the CRJ variety...We have 4 more new hire classes planned for the rest of this year and we don't have that much attrition right now.

Connect the dots....
Old 11-04-2012 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Really? Our initial open time has ALWAYS been seniority based. It's really quite simple. You have 12 hour windows during open time where requests are honored based on SENIORITY. Foreign concept I understand....but that's how we roll on the LASA side....
Listen dude, if you are so stoked about your schedule and PBS answers your wildest dreams each month, then you don't care about the ILIW. It is OPTIONAL. If you're happy with your schedule for the month then leave it alone! It won't be touched and the ILIW is irrelevant to you. You can just giggle about all the other junior suckers rushing to their computers to tweak their schedules and improve their QOL in ways that neither PBS nor a line award would allow. Now that I think about it, the ILIW DOES honor seniority in a way: the senior guys already have what they want and can ignore the ILIW while the junior guys get to fight over the scraps to try and improve their schedules.
Old 11-04-2012 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Many of the 200 aircraft are going to end up with American paint....United 700s and 900s will be of the CRJ variety...We have 4 more new hire classes planned for the rest of this year and we don't have that much attrition right now.

Connect the dots....
Hah...what United 700s and 900s? Do you know something about United's TA that we don't? I'd just as soon see NO growth of 70+ seat flying at this, or any other ****-poor regional. But then again, I'm just a young buck who may yet have a (dimming by the day) future in this crummy business.
Old 11-04-2012 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
20 days off at 60 credit! What an awesome schedule! Yippie for you! This summer I was holding schedules with 18 days off and 88 credit.

Sorry but the whole concept of run to the computer improvement window for a 24 hour period where only the first "1-15 minutes" is important is BEYOND ridiculous.
I'm guessing you have a bit of seniority there. As far as lines, I have no choices since I'm at the bottom. The ILIW is an option for me and anyone else who chooses, to make life better.
Old 11-04-2012 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
24 hours. But really the first 1-15 mins are all that matters. After that it's all poop and all the days that were above coverage are gone (if there were any to begin with). Boo crappy schedulers, Hooray beer!

I can't help but laugh at you L-ASA types who think the ILIW is some encumbrance on our lives. It's 24 hours once a month and it's not something you HAVE to do. It's just the time you have the OPTION of improving your schedule. And it's not even really 24 hours out of your life; if anything awesome is gonna happen, it happens in the first few minutes of the window opening. Now, if you got what you wanted from the bid (like all the senior, PBS-loving CRJ-types claim) then who cares about the line IMPROVEMENT window? You have nothing to improve on, right? So quit whining, congratulate yourself on how awesomely senior you are, go to the bar and have a beer without having to feel awkward when you don't buy the first round. Sheesh!
Not to be a flamebait, but if you are flying a 16 hour duty day with reduced over night, are you just screwed for the next month?
Old 11-04-2012 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by IDIOTPILOT:1287392
Originally Posted by Trip7
20 days off at 60 credit! What an awesome schedule! Yippie for you! This summer I was holding schedules with 18 days off and 88 credit.

Sorry but the whole concept of run to the computer improvement window for a 24 hour period where only the first "1-15 minutes" is important is BEYOND ridiculous.
I'm guessing you have a bit of seniority there. As far as lines, I have no choices since I'm at the bottom. The ILIW is an option for me and anyone else who chooses, to make life better.
With PBS you wouldn't be at the bottom o lineholders because PBS creates more lines
Old 11-04-2012 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
With PBS you wouldn't be at the bottom o lineholders because PBS is supposed to create more lines
Let me fix that for you.

You must be a friend of someone in management. Guess you will believe anything the company needs you to believe so they can give themselves pats on the back and big bonuses.
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