AtlCSIP

So did they... the first time. This is an idea to make this place better, and in order for it to be a better place, people getting hired after us will not have to endure what we did. You know, the old 'leave it better than you found it' idea.

I endured first year pay, just like everyone else, and like everyone else, I shouldn't have had to. If I ever have to go somewhere else, it won't be a regional airline because I won't go back to that pay scale again. If I went back to engineering, I could again make six figures and be home every day. I would hate it, but I could do it. It is discraceful, bordering on criminal, that I would have to go back to 20k/yr 1st year pay if I got a job as a pilot at another regional airline. AND, it cost me LESS to become an engineer, professionally licensed in multiple states! You really think that's ok just because you had to do it?

My mama always said to treat people the way I wanted to be treated, not the way I was treated. I think I was in kindergarten or something when I learned that. It was a good lesson.

AtlCSIP

I don't see it passing like that.

MR JT8D

Well said XJT Guy. Exactly my point. Cough up the $$$ or SHUT IT DOWN NOW!!!

Nevets

I have been saying blended rate for over a year. The company wants it regardless. It makes sense.

Trip7

APC general poll has always been overwhelmly militant and completely opposite of the actual voting results. Last vote we had was PBS and 90% of folks here screamed no and PBS passed by 80%+

Unless there is some massive concessions in the TA I bet it easily passes first time. The APC poll is be 80% No and 20% yes with actual results being the opposite.

And of course a carrot will be thrown in. It would surprise that shortly after a TA is announced a CPA for 40+ DFW E175 flying is announced by Inc with a statement that the subsidiary operating the planes is "to be determined"

Redbird611

I was referring to category in the contractual crew category sense. The variants are operated by separate crew categories due to CBS despite the single type rating covering all variants

mking84

Yep, and that was there, this is here. Nothing until I see the money, PERIOD. You're talking about the ALPA NAtional Seniority List idea here, and while I agree there must be reciprocation, otherwise sorry but now. Why dont we work on our own shop before we work on others? Putting people on 2nd year pay wont help, we have many other issues, and helping this company out by writing this and that out of the contract does NOT solidify our stance as a group.

AtlCSIP

Actually, I don't care one but about the ALPA National seniority list. I don't work for ALPA, and quite frankly, ALPA doesn't really work for me either, the best I can tell. I work for ExpressJet, and I believe you gootta dance with the one that brung ya. I don't intend to spend the rest of my career here, but I do expect things to get better while I am here, and My goal is to leave this place better than I found it, if at all possible. That means attracting the best possible employees in a shrinking pool of prospects. We get good employees, and pay them to be here, it results in lower training costs, a better product to our partners, and a supply of folks to backfill so you and I can actually experience upward movement. If we can't get new people, our airline shrinks, which it may anyway. If it shrinks, we need fewer captains, which means no opportunity to advance here, and difficulty moving on. Better employees works out better for everyone.

In a perfect world, all 121 flying would occur at the mainline carrier painted on the fuselage. Since that isn't the case, we need to be better than everyone else so we can get the flying that is there.

mking84

I work for XJT too but do not think that this is anything to be worked on UNLESS it is in the JCBA. If theres retro in there for me, a raise, better job protection and benefits, and ZERO concession in any area I may vote yes, but I spent two years on the street and nobody helped me. This is a selfish industry, were all in it for ourselves, the sooner you realize that and accept it the easier it becomes to manage your dissapointment.

Trip7

Last week, the ASA MEC, XJT MEC, and the Company finalized an agreement on the Process for Interim and Single PBS LOA.

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As everyone is aware, choosing a bidding system that will ultimately become part of the JCBA has been an area of considerable disagreement between the two MECs. Since February, with mediation assistance through ALPA’s Representation Department, we have developed a process that will ultimately lead to a single bidding solution. Over the past few weeks, the JNC reached a tentative agreement with management and both MECs ratified that process agreement. This represents a major and important step forward toward JCBA completion.

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Specifically, this solution provides that the legacy ASA pilots will continue using FlightLine until a pilot-wide vote on a single PBS vendor as part of the next contract’s amendment round. The legacy XJT pilots will bid paper lines for up to two years following the JCBA’s execution. Within that two-year period, the XJT MEC may opt to begin using the SmartPref PBS or discontinue developing that system and begin using FlightLine. If the XJT pilots are not bidding their monthly schedules through PBS within that two-year period, then they will convert to the FlightLine system at that time. We will have the full language of the PBS process agreement available on the ASA and XJT ALPA Web sites in the coming days. In addition, we will provide a Q & A document to aid pilots in further understanding the PBS selection process.

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Having reached an agreement on this process, the JNC and management have been meeting to discuss remaining issues in Phase II and Phase III negotiations. These included an exchange of proposals on Scheduling, Training, Deadheading, Vacation, and Hours of Service. Also, the Scheduling Committee is working with the JNC to analyze Flight Time/Duty Time requirements and their impact on the JCBA. Significant progress was made, and a tentative agreement was reached on Training. The parties are also nearing agreements on Deadheading and Vacation.

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Negotiations will continue weekly through the end of June. In an effort to accelerate the pace of negotiations, the parties have agreed to enter private mediation in July. A neutral party will be present for our sessions throughout July, and we are hopeful that presence will aid our progress. Conceivably, as we enter private mediation, we may be focusing on resolving the more challenging and remaining topics—namely the economic items and job security provisions.

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We are now positioned to go forward with company negotiations, having established single positions on the remaining outstanding sections. We anticipate that as negotiation activity increases substantially, we will be providing more frequent updates through the JNC Link.