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Old 09-18-2014 | 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by captlonestar
Wow another outstanding ASA committee member! I knew it! I'm surrounded by *******s! Keep firing *******s!
So you can't answer his question? You just spout off with this crap. He is right.
Old 09-18-2014 | 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by captlonestar
I have no clue what you are talking about. It's funny though that you think my criticism of you has something to do with our MEC or NC.. Paranoid much??

Listen ASA guys, if this is the kind of people you are taking advice from about our PBS and culture and that we somehow want to bring down your QOL, you're crazy. If anything the top at ASA want to protect their QOL at your expense. We spread the love more evenly, not just by DOH. For instance, our pilots get to bid in seniority order for each Vacation week.. One by one.. Not all at one time. When I saw that in our TA I was sick. It's just not fair. Give every one a chance to get a week off that they want. The senior shouldn't get to Xmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, and their B-day when they could hold them off anyways with a bid.

We will protect QOL with smartperf.. If we don't then I would happily switch to FlightLine. Lets give each other a chance and we can work it out next contract. We do not want to undercut your QOL!!
Are you a socialist?
Old 09-18-2014 | 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by captlonestar
Until we get new ALPA leadership (Heide Obernhof) or completely new union representation at the regional level, pilots will continue to be our own worst enemies.
I just realized something. You're the kind of person who sees a political ad on TV and starts shouting "Yeah! I'm voting for THAT guy"! without doing any further research.

Really speaks volumes about your other "opinions" on here... backed up by fantasy.

I'm really glad you're not a BOD member and won't be voting for anyone.
Old 09-18-2014 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DL31082
So you can't answer his question? You just spout off with this crap. He is right.
No, he isn't. He is wrong, has a complete lack of understanding of the iliw / sliw, and something is preventing him from learning what the erj side actually has. You don't need great trips in open time. You can move days, get extra days off, and completely drop trips in a line improvement window. Quality of trips means nothing as long as there is a contractual requirement for positive coverage over a given number of days. People trade good trips for crappy trips to get days off, improve commutability, or fly with people they like. It allows pilots the flexibility to fly what they want to fly.

The ASA MEC isn't interested in any system other than flightline but have made themselves ignorant about every other system that is available. There are people that were/are willing to educate your side. The last time the crj guys showed up to a meeting about other systems they did no research and made ignorant statements just like that post ... It screams that they have no idea what they are talking about. This is on par with a car salesman telling you about a new fully electric car and someone claiming the car sucks because it doesn't have a muffler. What would you think of the guy making the muffler statement telling you they "understand" enough but want to stick to their civic because it has a muffler?

It really is no surprise that your MEC thinks publicly posting false information and propoganda online is professional. They are either ignorant to the truth or have an agenda that they are trying to get protect. Some of the things CaptainTony has said are downright ludicrous. If you are proud of the job he is doing you were probably inspired by your high school principle.
Old 09-18-2014 | 07:36 AM
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Anyone who thinks you need large amounts of open time and a secondary line improvement window with PBS doesn't understand the point of having PBS.

Wow, the XJT MEC really has unleashed the hounds on me with all of these sudden attacks and calls for my removal. Something must not have gone their way recently.
Old 09-18-2014 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by newarkblows
No, he isn't. He is wrong, has a complete lack of understanding of the iliw / sliw, and something is preventing him from learning what the erj side actually has. You don't need great trips in open time. You can move days, get extra days off, and completely drop trips in a line improvement window. Quality of trips means nothing as long as there is a contractual requirement for positive coverage over a given number of days. People trade good trips for crappy trips to get days off, improve commutability, or fly with people they like. It allows pilots the flexibility to fly what they want to fly.
So with PBS, where would all of the open time come from at the beginning of the ILIW? Where does most of it come from with your current line bidding?
Old 09-18-2014 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by newarkblows
No, he isn't. He is wrong, has a complete lack of understanding of the iliw / sliw, and something is preventing him from learning what the erj side actually has. You don't need great trips in open time. You can move days, get extra days off, and completely drop trips in a line improvement window. Quality of trips means nothing as long as there is a contractual requirement for positive coverage over a given number of days. People trade good trips for crappy trips to get days off, improve commutability, or fly with people they like. It allows pilots the flexibility to fly what they want to fly.

The ASA MEC isn't interested in any system other than flightline but have made themselves ignorant about every other system that is available. There are people that were/are willing to educate your side. The last time the crj guys showed up to a meeting about other systems they did no research and made ignorant statements just like that post ... It screams that they have no idea what they are talking about. This is on par with a car salesman telling you about a new fully electric car and someone claiming the car sucks because it doesn't have a muffler. What would you think of the guy making the muffler statement telling you they "understand" enough but want to stick to their civic because it has a muffler?

It really is no surprise that your MEC thinks publicly posting false information and propoganda online is professional. They are either ignorant to the truth or have an agenda that they are trying to get protect. Some of the things CaptainTony has said are downright ludicrous. If you are proud of the job he is doing you were probably inspired by your high school principle.
What if your high school principal was one of your parents?

I could care less what Tony says, we make up our own minds, but you guys are just too thick skulled to deal with, on this site and the pipe. Its never ending. No wonder you went backrupt and its no wonder the erj side is being wound down.


You clearly Dont understand how PBS systems work...at least ones that a company will sign off on and still be an improvement for pilots. You can't have PBS with a ton of open time. They Dont go hand in hand because it is not beneficial to the company to have lots of uncovered flying, unless you want to toss your junior pilots under the bus and have a lot more of them on reserve.
Old 09-18-2014 | 10:13 AM
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Under PBS, there is NO NEED to drop crappy trips for good trips. See, in line bidding, there are so many variables for what you are wanting day to day or week to week, that you guys just take a line that kinda, maybe meets some of your needs - but may include some "crappy trips". (Your words) With PBS, you won't need to trade away that one (or two) crappy trip(s), because you would have already been awarded it, seniority permitting. You get stuck with a trip starting on a Friday in week 2 of the month? You could have bid all the trips that week that started on Thursday instead. You need the 4th Friday off, but want to work the other 3? Bid for that day off in PBS.

See, you don't need to just take any ole crappy line, and then seek to scour open time to swap out the trips you don't want. You bid that way initially. Line bidding construction does not work the same way PBS does. In line bidding, someone else delivers all the pairing randomly onto the lines. In PBS, YOU deliver the pairings onto your line. The only caveat is seniority. But seniority also dictates who is awarded lines in line bidding as well. PBS is far superior. WORK RULES ARE THE KEY!
Old 09-18-2014 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Truman_Sparks
Under PBS, there is NO NEED to drop crappy trips for good trips. See, in line bidding, there are so many variables for what you are wanting day to day or week to week, that you guys just take a line that kinda, maybe meets some of your needs - but may include some "crappy trips". (Your words) With PBS, you won't need to trade away that one (or two) crappy trip(s), because you would have already been awarded it, seniority permitting. You get stuck with a trip starting on a Friday in week 2 of the month? You could have bid all the trips that week that started on Thursday instead. You need the 4th Friday off, but want to work the other 3? Bid for that day off in PBS.

See, you don't need to just take any ole crappy line, and then seek to scour open time to swap out the trips you don't want. You bid that way initially. Line bidding construction does not work the same way PBS does. In line bidding, someone else delivers all the pairing randomly onto the lines. In PBS, YOU deliver the pairings onto your line. The only caveat is seniority. But seniority also dictates who is awarded lines in line bidding as well. PBS is far superior. WORK RULES ARE THE KEY!
It really isn't that hard to understand. I can't figure out why some XJT guys can't comprehend this. Maybe their heads are so far down in the sand (or up their own a$$) that they can't see it.
Old 09-18-2014 | 04:03 PM
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PBS can best be explained to the XJT guys as line bidding each week. Trips can start on any day of the week and the more junior you are the more likely will be flying over the weekend and more days in a row.
Say you like mon-wed 3 day trips. You can sort those out so you only look at those trips for that week then you put those trips in order of preference.
Now go to the next week and do the same until you have bid for all the weeks in a month.

Now say you really need a Monday off. Well in hard lines you might get lucky if there is actually a line that has what you need. You are more than likely going to have to swap. Not so with pbs. Assuming you can hold mon-wed, you could probably hold tue-thur. So that week you select tue-thur 3 day trips and you get what you want the first time. No need to jack around with open time and waste time on the computer.

You have to be realistic in what you can hold. A junior line holder now that holds 4 days fri-mon isn't going to magically get weekends off, but there is a lot more flexibility if he needed a Friday off.
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