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Old 09-04-2013 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by fullflank
What about work work rules? Rsv, retirement, min day, cancellation pay. Are they "modifying" that as well?

No. But still read the LOA when you get it. It just suck that it is seriously 50/50 what people feel on the LOA. It should be closer to 100%
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Old 09-04-2013 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bradeku1008
No. But still read the LOA when you get it. It just suck that it is seriously 50/50 what people feel on the LOA. It should be closer to 100%
Ok thanks.
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Old 09-04-2013 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by fullflank
Are you sure about this part right here? Is it not a blend between our 200/700/900 rates? I ask because if we actually went to a straight 900 rate with this LOA, every captain on property would actually take a 3ish dollar/hour pay raise. FO's would stay at about the same and top out at the same too, only after 4 years rather than whatever it is now. With DOS+ 1 year, DOS+ 2 years etc, guys like me (6 years) would top out at 95/hour at year 12. You see what I'm getting at here? Too good to be true. It's got to be the blended rate otherwise it's a raise for most pilots, not a concession. Where the hell is the TA language!!??
You will never get to year 12 pay. You have to apply to mainline. You have to interview when they call. If you are unsuccessful then you just go back to PSA. If you get the position (Say 190 PHL F/O based $35k/year) and turn it down you will never get a pay raise at PSA ever again. So if you were at year 7 pay. You will die at year 7 pay.
If you fail the interview twice. Then shame on you and you once again stay at year 7 pay. (This is how i read it).

The interviews will be in seniority order. So if you do the math you will most likely have an interview within a year. Second interview the next year or year after or year after that….or never.
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Old 09-04-2013 | 02:51 PM
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There is a B scale in this deal. Everyone with more than 12 years gets to keep their longevity. Everyone else gets capped at 12 years. I hope Moak doesn't sign this.
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Old 09-04-2013 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by seafeye
You will never get to year 12 pay. You have to apply to mainline. You have to interview when they call. If you are unsuccessful then you just go back to PSA. If you get the position (Say 190 PHL F/O based $35k/year) and turn it down you will never get a pay raise at PSA ever again. So if you were at year 7 pay. You will die at year 7 pay.
If you fail the interview twice. Then shame on you and you once again stay at year 7 pay. (This is how i read it).

The interviews will be in seniority order. So if you do the math you will most likely have an interview within a year. Second interview the next year or year after or year after that….or never.
Wow! Sounds like great excuse to bounce our guys out of an interview 3 times. Then they'll have a bunch of captains topped out at 7-8 year pay!!! Brilliant move Keith and Doug. *** is our union thinking!!!???
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Old 09-04-2013 | 03:01 PM
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Freezing pay for failed pref interview sux. Good Luck to the guys at PSA.
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Old 09-04-2013 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by seafeye
You will never get to year 12 pay. You have to apply to mainline. You have to interview when they call. If you are unsuccessful then you just go back to PSA. If you get the position (Say 190 PHL F/O based $35k/year) and turn it down you will never get a pay raise at PSA ever again. So if you were at year 7 pay. You will die at year 7 pay.
If you fail the interview twice. Then shame on you and you once again stay at year 7 pay. (This is how i read it).

The interviews will be in seniority order. So if you do the math you will most likely have an interview within a year. Second interview the next year or year after or year after that….or never.
The way I look at it is the MOU rates will be higher than US Airways current rates. First year E190 pay is still lower than our 12 year capt pay but after the first year you are no longer seat locked. If you switch to the Airbus you will make more money your second and third year than a PSA 13-16 year captain.
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Old 09-04-2013 | 03:04 PM
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Can you post the bullet points/highlights?
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Old 09-04-2013 | 03:23 PM
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I could care less about the 12 year cap. No one should ever make their career at a regional. However, there should have been a trade off. In agreeing to the 12 year cap, then we definitely should have gotten GUARANTEED JOBS at mainline. That is what I think the dealbreaker is.
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Old 09-04-2013 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
I could care less about the 12 year cap. No one should ever make their career at a regional. However, there should have been a trade off. In agreeing to the 12 year cap, then we definitely should have gotten GUARANTEED JOBS at mainline. That is what I think the dealbreaker is.
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You already interviewed once with PSA. If you aren't good enough to represent U.S. Airways and wear their colors, you wouldn't have got hired in the first place, right?

Plus, what percentage of people who interview at mainline actually get hired anyway? About 30%? I know plenty of good pilots with a clean record who got the dear John letter.
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