Someone here gets it. Unfortunately, some there still cannot see past their noses or see artfully crafted announcements as what they are that just happen to serve the latest timeline to quiet the gripes.

Multiple new grievances were just filed and the beat goes on and thus it certainly seems the contract remains an "optional" document rejectable on the whims of management. The most recent "announcements" are simply nothing new. I see no revised upgrade projections beyond 205 for 2016 (if you could believe it anyway) and the flow will be lucky to make anywhere near 300 (375 is a joke) based on the Letter T situation. The schedules have no mechanism to make them better and it sure sounds like there's no interest anyway. The announcement of keeping some CRJ's around a little longer isn't likely to improve schedules on the EMB or CRJ which already have such a staffing overage, it's stunning. Of course, once they go, what will be the excuse and claim to support the schedules then ?

I'm sure a new song and dance will be developed to draw the pie-eyed, longing stares of some, but others won't be fooled. Remember, the Summer schedule is approaching (are vacations being cancelled yet ?) and gotta keep the promises coming !

Good Luck, but I've seen this all before.

 

Read the MEC blast on the meetings. It was an almost identical statement of days gone by, i.e., "we communicated our displeasure, etc., etc...........and we are "cautiously optimistic", etc.,etc.....". Then, in previous fashion, the team reverts back to huddle and then a release of what most already knew about slower CRJ transfer and the release of the delayed upgrade bid that will likely take awhile to move pilots through not changing the past 2016 upgrade schedule one iota.

Bottom line : Nothing really new and mostly an artfully timed, reconstituted blast of the past previously known.

That's what I get out of it anyway.

 

You don't even work here. Where would you be getting the MEC blast from anyway? Can you seriously not let it go? Move on. If you are at AA fine, why not just enjoy it and forget about Eagle/Envoy if it's as bad as you claim it to be. I have my suspicions that you really don't work at AA but if you want to hoodwink everyone, then by all means, go ahead. But how about in the AA forum.

A previous poster hit the nail on the head when he mentioned that the CRJ's were staying now through at least the end of 2016. Couple that with the 175 arrivals and what do you have? Growth. Don't think that this scenario wasn't known to management quite some time ago and they planned for and plugged the numbers on upgrade/flow in with this in mind. The plan was, and still is, to flow 375 this year alone. I agree with CA Wilson that the 375 number may need to be adjusted slightly due to Letter T's returning. However, expect north of 300 to flow this year alone and in the end......they have to true up keeping the original 6 year flow intact.

Maybe now you can see why they chose to meter on the flow. It's obvious more airframes are involved than previously planned for in summer 2015. "Charlie Bucket" as you say, is still in good shape and should still plan on things as they were announced last year.

 

Thanks for yet another chuckle.

RAH has just gone C11 and Charlie Bucket may just have to share some flow slots if AAG plants a wet, sloppy kiss on them. Considering Parker's love affair with 76-seaters, I'd advise Charlie to eat his chocolate while he can.

 

This is the second time you've said this today, and it's simply much more complicated than you're leading people to believe.

The pilots able to participate in the program are clearly identified in the envoy CBA. Can they ignore it? Yes, but that's a rabbit hole we aren't going down right now.

As to a merger, there is really no reason for AAG to want that. It's much easier to transfer those 175s and make the pilots follow on their own at first year pay.

 

Would AAG really give RAH pilots flow? Oh lord, if that happens, might as well shut the Envoy doors! Every fresh pilot left would avoid us like it's the Bad News Bears.

Oh wait.....

 

Bud, I wouldn't be so optimistic, this already smells like the Pinnacle BK, AAG could easily buy them and drop the other carriers flying and merge them with you. Same thing with AWAC and PSA next year when their revenue plummets.

 

I'm far from optimistic, and while anything is possible, I try to apply some logic to the situation.

Why would AAG want to add in a bunch of pilots who are already at envoy pay caps? Why not get them at 1st year pay instead?

If we've learned one thing from watching new hires pick airlines, it's that they want to go were the growth is. Create the growth and they will come. PSA was the perfect example. Once PSA's numbers started tapering off, PDT was ready and waiting for their big moment with the 145s. Sensing a pattern here?

 

I disagree. First of all, RAH consolidation is simply ONE option, but I think it's the most likely. It's not the ONLY option.

No, the pilots are NOT "clearly identified" (by name). It is a contractual provision and just like your management has proven MULTIPLE times in just the last year or two alone, it is subject to interpretation. Considering the position Envoy is in with most of its fleet of limited lifespan, it will be easy for AAG to craft a "win-win" scenario for all pilots in such a scenario. but compromise will be necessary. Not interested in that ?

Fine, but you know what and how AAG can play you and you won't like it.

Actually, it is MUCH easier to merge (and most likely something a judge would go for). Mergers are more then just about aircraft, they are about assets (pilots being one), infrastructure, market share and capital valuation. It's actually much simpler then you think.

 

Why not ?

AMR did the EXACT same thing with Business Express in the late 1990's. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.