No one is going to start leaving for losing nothing. That 20K wasn't anyone's except AAGs to begin with. We didn't lose anything. I think the 5K - 15K bonuses won't do much to attract applicants though. It is absolutely going to take some meaningful contract improvements and an increased flow at this point to get people to want to come here. Our management is just middle management. They don't call any of these shots. They take their marching orders from their higher ups at AAG. This was AAG offering new hire bonuses and retention bonuses. This had nothing to do with our management. There is a reason they didn't show any signs of flexibility. It was a take it or leave it. We left it because we recognize that offering 20K retention bonuses to FOs is divisive and only ultimately serves to exacerbate the real problem. Our contract sucks. And this was an attempt by AAG to subvert our efforts to achieve better pay and working conditions by placating us with a bandaid bonus. If they want this place to succeed they are going to need to do better than that, and now they know that. If they stop deliveries, or park airplanes, the. You WILL see an exodus of FOs who have been here less than a year. I'm here through the remainder of 2016 personally. If things aren't looking up by then, I'll split for greener pastures. And let's be honest, there are plenty of those around these days.

 

Seems there are a lot of ****ed off First Officers.

My thought process to this is why accept this low ball deal. If we want to attract and retain new hires, start with fixing the issues at the company first. Make the QOL better with more efficient trips, no more scheduling abuse and manipulation, reserve grid manipulation, simple commuter incentives, at least one more commutable base, etc. All in addition to better pay rates. Why not do away with a bonus and raise pay rates across the board.


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Wow, I'm so sorry that happened to you!

 

Well from managements perspective, a pay raise amounts to a permanent fix to a temporary problem. Bonuses can be given and taken away almost at will. That is why AAG would prefer to offer bonuses rather than raising FO pay by $10 /hour across the board.

 

Do I think we need a big change in our QOL to get people here? Absolutely, but you said it yourself that no one is going to start leaving over this $20,000. If no ones going to leave any ways then why turn down the bonus? They offered FOs money to stay and we said no thank you we will stay for free?

 

A CA paycheck is a viable living, an FO check is not. Your representation grossly ignored this fact. Overnight, you motivated damn near every FO to reevaluate coming to PSA. You've guaranteed stagnation and an impending year of staffing abuses that go unchecked by a contract written in toilet paper. Your knocked the cupcakes off the table so nobody could have one. FO's got robbed by ALPA. Please.., tell us about those great new pay rates you're working on, uh. After the big critical pay settlement right around the corner. I know, I know, pilots don't really understand the process blah blah.

 

The problem with this is that PSA is a business. Until we have a problem keeping current pilots why would AA give us more? As much as it sucks that's bad business. Our problem now is new hires so it only make good financial sense for AA or PSA to put money into new hires. All of PSA pilots want to be on par with the rest of the regionals but until people start leaving why would money be given to people willing to stay for the current amount?

 

I think you ignored most of what I posted... We didn't say no thank you, we will stay for free. We said, keep your bonus, it isn't what we need. If you don't give us what we need, this airline will become a flaming dumpster fire.

 

I wasn't intending to ignore most of your post but what I get from your post is that you believe we said no because we think it is not enough and a temporary fix to a bigger issue? Once again I agree this place is a ****** pile in a lot of respects but are you leaving? Are the CAs happy about the union standing up to DF leaving? Not even the fairly new FOs are leaving. So yes it's a bandaid to fix our new hire problem but until we have a CA and FO retention problem they won't offer us more. So in my mind the bandaid was the new hire bonus that they went and did any ways where as the free money to current FOs was thrown out. The bandaid is the new hire bonus not the retention bonus because retention isn't an issue yet. If saying no had meant no new hire bonus we would have had leverage but that isn't the case.

 

I am leaving. Less than a year Fo. Poor management and dishonest scheduling.

No growth.




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